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  •  Allegations of fraud by front pagers? (3+ / 0-)

    Do you have links to those allegations?  I know of one comment by a single front pager in last summer's debacle and it was this by Kaili Joy to Roxine:

    Ugh. Just stop it!(89+ / 0-)

    I have kept my mouth shut on this until now, but ugh. Ugh!

    And let me be very clear: I'm not involved in any way with anything on the admin side with regard to this situation, so I don't know anything more than what everyone else here knows.

    But you know what? I'm really sick of people who showed up here half a second ago vouching for each other, as if their word is proof. I don't know who you are, I don't care who you are, and the fact that you vouch for someone else here—someone whose behavior has been, at best, erratic, inconsistent, and disruptive and, at worst, part of this whole bullshit scam of "aunts" and "nephews" and "pigs" and lord knows what else—means absolutely nothing to me. Nothing. And linking to a Facebook page or giving a phone number isn't proof either.

    I'm so sick of this crap, I can't stand it. You may very well be who you say you are, and you may very well be doing all the good work you claim to be doing (though, to be quite honest, by looking at the website of your foundation, I've got some real questions about that too), but if that's really your life purpose, then feeding into some meta drama crap by insisting that your friend SJF—who has certainly added to this drama by her own choice and offered an awful lot of very inconsistent and totally unsubstantiated information that she claims is "proof" but doesn't prove a single damned thing—isn't protecting a single child or helping a single victim.

    If that really is your purpose here at Daily Kos, I very strongly recommend you stick to that.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 02:41:04 PM EDT

    What, besides Kaili saying she's "got some real questions about" Tree Climbers based on its website, have front pagers said?
    •  I believe there was one other person (3+ / 0-)
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      I don't feel comfortable naming them without knowing for sure, and I'm not about to go back and look. I would have preferred to have never seen that comment again in my life, or any of them.

      I'm not going to rehash this. It's all still out there for anyone to view themselves if they are so inclined-the diaries, the comments, all of it. People are free to draw their own conclusions.

      You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

      by SwedishJewfish on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:06:55 AM PST

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    •  I reported this to Markos and requested that it be (2+ / 0-)
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      deleted.  I do not appreciate you rehashing this here as it maligns a charity that is working to provide services to survivors of childhood sexual abuse.  

      It's a charity - if you don't believe in the mission of the charity, don't donate to it.  

      We are doing our very best to make something positive out of the shared horrors of our childhood.  Are we perfect?  No - we are human with warts and flaws and "issues" but we are working to help others because we think we can.  Will we succeed? Who knows? Most charities fail - there's a diary on the Rec list right now about one such charity that is closing its doors.  But if we can help ONE person - then we have succeeded.  And I know we have already done that- and we are working to help as many as we can.

      Forgive my rant - but you know what?  I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse - and yes, I get triggered.  And forgive me for responding to another post here, but I'm fairly sure they will see it -

      In response to Burned's comments regarding the "pornographic" picture:

      Burned - that picture?  That was me when I was a little girl.  My grandfather used to hold my hand and use his middle finger to stroke the middle of my palm - and do you know what that meant, Burned?  That was his "signal" to me - his "our little secret" signal - his way of telling me how "special" I was..

      It meant he was going to rape me again, or he was going to place his mouth on me and perform oral sex, or it meant that he was going to force his cock into my mouth - so YES it is triggering - but it is what childhood sexual abuse IS -

      It is the innocent hand-holding of a grandfather who routinely rapes and sodomizes his granddaughter.  It is the struggle that I have lived with my whole life.  

      In the words of Abraham Lincoln:

      “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.”

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

      by Roxine on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:58:50 AM PST

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      •  Thanks, and with that I'm done here (2+ / 0-)
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        No we are not perfect. We are trying to make something positive come from the negative (to put it mildly) things we have both lived through. It is not easy to do this work, but we do the best we can (btw-while I say "work", I would once again like to point out that neither one of us makes ANY money from this whatsoever, and we have been fully transparent about how our donations have been used-that information has been provided publicly and is available to those who inquire)

        Again, it is very simple-if you don't like the charity, don't donate. If you don't like a diary, or a diarist, don't read their diaries. If you don't like private fundraisers on Daily Kos, don't participate in them. People have free will, they can do as they please.

        And now I'm going to go use my free will to play with my kid in the snow. If anyone has further questions or "concerns", feel free to PM me.

        You must work-we must all work-to make a world that is worthy of its children -Pablo Casals Please support TREE Climbers for victims of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

        by SwedishJewfish on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:11:58 AM PST

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      •  Whoa, TRIGGER warning, please (4+ / 0-)

        you aren't the only one who gets triggered by these things and some days are worse than others.

        •  Sorry Wendy Slammo - I have tried to appropriately (2+ / 0-)
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          highlight the triggering comment.  I apologize if my rant affected you in any way.  As you say- some days are better than others.  Today, for me, is not a good day.

          "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

          by Roxine on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:51:42 AM PST

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      •  TRIGGER WARNING TO MY POST ABOVE n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

        by Roxine on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:41:41 AM PST

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      •  Um, all I asked was "who?" (1+ / 0-)
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        But as the young people say, it's all good.  

        Auf wiedersehen.

        •  VetGrl, I didn't report you - I reported the (0+ / 0-)

          original comment back in July to Markos as it was made by someone on his staff.

          I just wanted to be clear. Although I don't know what purpose your reposting it here serves other than to (again) question Tree Climbers.

          "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

          by Roxine on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:34:30 AM PST

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