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  •  How did we get to 300,000,000 firearms? (7+ / 0-)
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    Ya' gotta' start somewhere.

    •  Because that's what's really insane. (6+ / 0-)
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      300,000,000 firearms.

      And we wonder why gun crime is a huge problem.

    •  That Only Includes Metallic Cartridge Weapons (9+ / 0-)

      Produced since about 1865 or so. Remarkably durable goods, firearms.

      Since such a very tiny percentage of those 300,000,000 are ever involved in anything nefarious, wouldn't it make sense to approach the problem from an angle with better odds?

      Stiffen penalties for any criminal use of a firearm, and don't let them be subject to plea bargaining down by prosecutors to clear cases; if there's a gun involved, it sticks.

      Shut down those few gun dealers who can't keep track of their inventory, that's simply inexcusable.

      There are things that will help without making criminals where none existed.

      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

      by The Baculum King on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:00:28 PM PST

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      •  Ironic that you post this, above: (4+ / 0-)
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        Where are these new criminals going to be housed?
        And now you post this:
        Stiffen penalties for any criminal use of a firearm, and don't let them be subject to plea bargaining down by prosecutors to clear cases; if there's a gun involved, it sticks.
        So I guess I'll ask you...

        Where are these new criminals going to be housed?

        •  There Would Be Very Few New Criminals (11+ / 0-)

          They are the same ones that were released six months or a year ago, hell a lot of them could be worked back into their old cells.

          An unexpected byproduct of my recent misadventure was an upclose and personal look at a slice of the criminal culture in this country (and believe me, there IS a thriving culture). MAYBE 10% of my former "colleagues" were one-timers like myself, easily half of everybody I interacted with in Federal prison had done time AT LEAST twice before, at the State or Federal level, and got "popped" for a very small percentage of their professional activities, and were quite willing to discuss it with somebody else wearing the same clothes.

          The MAIN topic of conversation was either criminal shit they had done before this "bit" or the criminal shit they were going to do when they got out.

          When I was released I rode a bus from Beckley, West Virginia to Memphis, six guys came out of the Medium Security facility co-located with the Camp where I was the same morning, one of them went to Walgreens before the bus came and bought a cellphone and was setting up a 2-kilo coke deal on the bus on the way home.

          Within that culture prison time is not a horrible, life-altering catastrophe, it's an accepted cost of doing business. They don't even stop doing criminal shit while locked up, the target audience just changes.

          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

          by The Baculum King on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:16:37 PM PST

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      •  Every metallic cartridge weapon made since (3+ / 0-)
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        ... 1865 is still in circulation?

        Amazing.

      •  Let me build on that (6+ / 0-)

        This is similar to the mine data to find the terrorist logic problem.  Terrorism is rare.  Sifting massive data sets to locate terrorists results in a huge number of false positives that 1. result in a waste of public safety resources and 2. violate people's rights.  

        Likewise murder is rare enough that tracking firearms won't do much.  

        Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

        by DavidMS on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 05:42:22 AM PST

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        •  No today, or tomorrow (1+ / 0-)
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          but give it twenty or thirty years and it will make a massive change.

          Doing nothing will make no difference, and that is the only thing that will make no difference.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:34:22 AM PST

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      •  Almost every state already has... (0+ / 0-)

        ...sentencing "enhancements" for crimes committed with a gun.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:44:14 AM PST

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    •  No one knows the exact number. (13+ / 0-)

      That too is part of the problem. Best estimates there are about 300 to 330 million firearms floating around in the USofA..  Those are in the hands of about 80 million owners.  The average gun owner about three or four firearms.  

      How is anyone going to go around and register all those firearms?  Local law enforcement has neither the staff or equipment.  I have a suggestion.  Go to Google Earth and look up Unicoi County, Tennessee.  Scan the area around Erwin and Unicoi.  It is one of the smallest counties in Tennessee, and has a population of about 20,000 people.  The population density is 44 per square mile.  The Sheriff's department has 40 employees, which includes office staff and correctional officers at the jail who do not go on patrol.  

      Who is going to go out into Unicoi county and count the guns, take down the serial numbers and register them?

      BTW, since the completion of I-26, drug trafficking in Unicoi County has skyrocketed, not to mention the number of meth labs increasing.  

      That is just a small sample of the problem.  This not theoretical.  One of the smallest counties in the US, but look at the problem through the eyes of the Sheriff who would be expected to implement the project with no money budgeted for it.

      Think on these things as you admire the view of Unicoi County from space.

      The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

      by Otteray Scribe on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 11:03:59 PM PST

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