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  •  That a bogus arguement and you know it (6+ / 0-)

    If you want to pass a national proportional representation scheme, I'm all with you, but until then, it's perfectly natural for states that lean heavily towards one party to get more than their exact proportion in seats. I mean, I don't go around complaining about the fact that Republicans hold 100% of the seats in Oklahoma despite them only having like 2/3ds of the voters.

    •  BUT (0+ / 0-)

      OK is pretty evenly Republican thoughout the state. WA is not evenly Democratic all over the place. You can not compare the two at all.

      So given that the state, one that has pretty striking differences in politics in different regions, and is drawn by a bi-partisan committee, 60% of the seats is nothing is be upset about.

      Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

      by KyleinWA on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:43:14 PM PST

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      •  You see, you just acknowledged that (1+ / 0-)
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        Proportion of population doesn't necessarily equate to the proportion of of districts the party will get under a good CoI map. The fact is that over three quarters of Washington's population is west of the Cascades, a region that, with the exception of Lewis County and some conservative suburbs in Clark County, is largely moderate to liberal. The fact is that unless you really think that a court would have crossed the Cascades for district 8, any court map would have produced 7 D+ districts and a 3rd that was closer to R+2 or 3 than the +5 or so I drew (although admittedly, some of the D+ districts would have been less safe than what I drew).

        •  Yes, under a court map (0+ / 0-)

          I am pretty certain WA-8 would hve spilled over the Cascades. Given that that region is one of the few areas that connect western WA and eastern WA (and is probably the most commonly used), and that cities like Wenatchee have far more connections economically and culturally with eastern King County than places like Yakima have with Clark or Cowlitz Counties, I would fully expect a court to draw a map that has WA-8 being the western WA seat that spills over into the east.

          Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

          by KyleinWA on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:15:20 AM PST

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          •  Why don't you draw your own map for us then (1+ / 0-)
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            showing what you think a court or California-style commission might draw? I'm genuinely interested as mine is the only one I've ever seen and I was very unsatisfied with how the 3rd district turned out.

          •  Are you really trying to tell me (0+ / 0-)

            That random towns in the middle of nowhere like Wenatchee have a lot in common with Seattle suburbs? You can't even have a neat Cowlitz-Clark CoI district, you're already including places like Lewis and Pacific County. It makes a lot more sense to follow the Coumbia river.

            •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

              Clark/Cowlitz/Lewis/Pacific counties are very much tied together. Places like the area around Yakima are not like us culturally or economically other then they have shipping down the Columbia. Even with that our ties are still pretty seperated.

              But places like Wenatchee send their goods into Seattle to be shipped via I-90. They get Seattle TV stations. They are far more connected to eastern King County then eastern WA is to southwest Washington.

              Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

              by KyleinWA on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:35:49 PM PST

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              •  that's not what matters necessarily (1+ / 0-)
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                these districts are generally too large to compose a single community, unless you're talking about a city as large as Seattle.  There will always be disputes about how to combine smaller communities together, and they're not really fruitful.  It is more important to not divide communities than to try to create commonality between communities where little truly exists, like trying to come up with a link between Wenatchee and Seattle beyond just the road that links them.

                ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                by James Allen on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:19:21 PM PST

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                •  Well (0+ / 0-)

                  my friends, I think we will have agree to disagree.

                  Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

                  by KyleinWA on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:04:57 PM PST

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