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  •  whoa! There is a big difference (1+ / 0-)
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    Back In Blue

    between a community (KOS) where people disagree and or are rude to each other ( that's a community with warts) and the RCC which is evil and corrupt and actively supports child rape (that is a malignant cancer.)

    DON'T CREATE FALSE EQUIVALANCY!

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 07:54:25 AM PST

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    •  Evil through and through, eh? (2+ / 0-)
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      El Mito, tobendaro

      I suppose you'd support preemptively rounding up all bishops, priests and nuns and throwing them all in jail since they are all already tried and convicted of "evil" in your eyes?

      Yes this is ridiculous hyperbole as was your original statement.

      We are the principled ones, remember? We don't get to use the black hats' tricks even when it would benefit us. Political Compass: -6.88, -6.41

      by bmcphail on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:00:19 AM PST

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      •  As a Gay Latin Catholic (4+ / 0-)

        I really shutter when people malign every member of an institution because of historical shameful acts. We forget those priests and nuns who are there on the ground doing God's work. When I lived in Chile, it was the Catholic church that gave shelter to those being persecuted and killed by Pinochet after the Coup. I came out to a a young Priest who gave me advise and guidance, also an amazing Catholic Priest thought Science and Religion (no, not creationism) at Med School.  

        There is a disconnect between the Curia and the nuns and priests on the "ground" and us Catholics who are hopeful of a Third Vatican Council to address all the anachronistic concepts of the Church.

        But calling me and fellow Catholics "cattle", "ignorant", or "they don't know better" is at the very least insulting.

        We all have had our journey and relationship with our faith. This will be good for the Church and us Catholics who want more of a saying and equality in our Church

        #respect and #hope

        •  You have got to admit (0+ / 0-)

          being a gay Latino, the church has done you few favors. Starting with the Spanish inquistion and going on down to the conquistadors and then now to the push against gays.

          God's will is certainly an interesting concept.

          I didn't see where anybody called Catholics cattle or ignorant or maybe not even knowing better. We are just trying to figure out how to live together in THIS community.

          American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

          by glitterscale on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 10:26:08 AM PST

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          •  as a gay Latino (1+ / 0-)
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            The US government has done me very few favors until recently, or many governments for that matter. It wasn't long ago that having sex with my partner was illegal in many States.

            I did say "historical shameful acts", and I contrasted with other admirable actions.

            I still stayed American instead of renouncing my citizenship to move to Canada or España.

            I wasn't pointing fingers to any one person in particular, just to those who call us gay Catholics those names I mentioned.

      •  um, I don't think I suggested this: (0+ / 0-)
        rounding up all bishops, priests and nuns and throwing them all in jail since they are all already tried and convicted of "evil"
        as far as I know, it isn't against the law to be evil or to belong to an evil institution.  Do I believe that every one of them condones the abuses of the church when they remain silent ? yes, of course.  Believing that silence is better for the church institution than condemning the child rapists is at the heart of the continued cover-ups.

        Do I believe that every one should be locked up without trial? of course not.  those who broke laws in the cover-ups do deserve to be tried and jailed.  those eho knew about the cover-ups but did nothing should loose any moral position and the right to call themselves "Christians".

        As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

        by BPARTR on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:08:10 PM PST

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