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  •  Right, and the day that folks on this website will (2+ / 0-)
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    ... represent a majority of population will be when again?

    •  You're missing the point (5+ / 0-)

      There's enough "ban them all" rhetoric out there, both on this website and in the general public, so that, when the gun control side says "we don't want to take your guns away," the gun rights side has sufficient reason not to believe them.

      They assume you're negotiating in bad faith.

      Hence, pretty much every proposal is going to be spun in a bad light, and if they see potential for abuse, they will interpret such abuse as the intention of the law.

      Keep in mind, I'm saying this as someone who supports universal background checks.

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      by maxomai on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:35:21 PM PST

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      •  That may be true, but what a sad commentary. (4+ / 0-)
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        There is no evidence that the government is coming to take away guns anytime soon or in the foreseeable future.

        It is an irrational fear driven by propaganda and propagandists of the worst sort.

        •  Sorry, that's revisionism on your part. (2+ / 0-)
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          There is no evidence that the government is coming to take away guns anytime soon or in the foreseeable future.

          There is historical evidence to suggest that this is not an unreasonable fear. It wasn't in the UK and it wasn't in California. There is also the past and present rhetoric of the people who are engaged in current gun control efforts

          So, you're wrong on that point.

          You are also, therefore, wrong on the point of this being simply an irrational fear being driven by propaganda.

          Your attempts to spin this away say really horrible things about you.

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          by maxomai on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:12:12 PM PST

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          •  I asked you before about California. (2+ / 0-)
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            How many people were prosecuted under that directive and what was the ultimate outcome?

            You and your compatriots have fallen for the bullshit. You're living in fear of... In fear of... In fear of...

            A GHOST!

            BOO!!!

            •  So let me see here...because they were only (4+ / 0-)
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              ordered to register a legal gun and then they were told that same gun was now illegal and they must turn it in or be charged with a crime....but because they were never prosecuted, you say it never occurred, that it never happened and that confiscation could never, ever be a possibility?

              My view is that in the case of California.....it came very, very close to that point...regardless if they were not prosecuted or not.  The fact that most of them ended up turning in those guns and losing the rights to own it forever...under THREAT of prosecution, is just as much a confiscation, as it would have been if authorities had beat down their door to get them.

              The tool they used to confiscate was registration and threat of prosecution.....they just never had to prosecute anyone, because most complied as directed.

              So it is faulty and misleading to say it never occurred, under the premise of lack of jail time or charges filed for legal gun owners, who mistakenly believed that registering their legal gun would never turn them into criminals one day.

              •  Proof? (0+ / 0-)

                How many guns were turned in? How many refused? How many were prosecuted. How many guns from those who refused were confiscated? Did it stand up in court?

                You just finished telling me in another thread that confiscation won't happen.

                So what's your point?

                Is the government coming for your guns?

                •  I told my opinion in this thread, not another. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I don't think confiscation will happen only on a background check only law, and that's what were discussing....as background checks are already done federally in all dealer sales.

                    If registration were tied to a new national law....that's a different story, and I would have a different view of it.

                   I would not be for it, I would not think it is right, I might not even comply....not sure, as it hasn't happened yet.  I do know, that I agree with others...if registration became a reality, I would want a part of that law to have a written guarantee that it would never go beyond the registration.  Confiscation would be a legal impossibility by the same law promoting registration....a promise in writing that any gun I register would never be taken.

                  With that said, I don't think registration itself will ever pass nationally, in this political climate.  Could that change?  Perhaps.....I just don't think it will pass. I'm glad about that.

        •  I find it similar to those on this site (1+ / 0-)
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          a2nite

          Who think the government is on a slippery slope to using drones to kill all dissenters.

      •  And I will add that I have seen this precise kind (1+ / 0-)
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        ... of "the-government-is-coming-to-take-my-guns" paranoia on this website, much of it today in this diary and in noway2's diary.

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