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  •  I'm not saying it's not violent, just not crime. (3+ / 0-)
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    It's valid to include suicides in tallies of gun-related deaths, same as accidental shootings.  But those things aren't crimes in and of themselves, regretable as they are.

    Pointing out dropping crime rates in general, with steady rates of gun violence reinforces the call for better gun regulation.  If not for the easy access to guns perhaps suicides rates might fall as well.

    •  suicide is a crime in many localities (3+ / 0-)

      however, attempted suicide is not.

      How do I know this?

      Personal experience.

      "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

      by Angie in WA State on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:33:13 PM PST

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      •  I'm sorry if my comments cut too close. (0+ / 0-)

        I don't mean to cause any pain.  It's easy to get caught up in the argument and not remember that those statistics we argue over are people's lives.

        Making suicide a crime seems, well, a bit pointless.  And criminalizing attempted suicide is really the wrong way to deal with it.  Suicide and attempted suicide are a completely different dynamic than violent crime.  Lumping them in with crime obscures the different dynamics at work.  That was my point above.  Even though violent crime rates are falling, suicides are increasing.  I feel that making it harder to get a gun could help reduce suicide rates.


        •  your words did not hurt (0+ / 0-)

          my experience is decades old.

          However, it is important to understand the data behind the statistics which one uses when "understanding" an issue.

          When discussing crime and statistics on gun violence, suicide by gun most definitely DOES need to be included.

          It is a violent death, due to a gun, even if the perpetrator is also the victim.

          "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

          by Angie in WA State on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 11:59:45 AM PST

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