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  •  I wonder (10+ / 0-)
    becasue what you impose on one industry can become precedent on other industries
    how the auto industry could have possibly survived.

    Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

    by milkbone on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:22:16 AM PST

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    •  precedent: (10+ / 0-)

      Love your comment. Auto registration must be updated whenever a vehicle is sold. Why not guns too? Why do so many gun owners think every bit if proposed legisltation is pointless and won't work?

      It's not about the hundred people whose minds you can't change. It's about the two people you empower. ~ Beth Ditto

      by dejavu on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:44:23 AM PST

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      •  Fear. It drives a lot of gun purchases, too. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

        by Back In Blue on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:40:14 PM PST

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      •  The only problem is, (0+ / 0-)

        there have been firearms registrations in the past that were, in fact, later used to facilitate confiscations or "requests" for turn-ins. So the NRA made it a talking point that "registration = confiscation". And, unfortunately, they have some truth to back that up. So there's a trust deficit when it comes to registries.

        I'd be fine with a registration scheme myself, if there were some sort of guarantees against arbitrary confiscations.

        •  ...how could there possibly be? (0+ / 0-)
          I'd be fine with a registration scheme myself, if there were some sort of guarantees against arbitrary confiscations.
          Do you mean a constitutional amendment guaranteeing that the government will never confiscate people's weapons (even if they confiscate all of their other property) or something like that?

          Because otherwise there's no way to do what you say. No law can prevent a future law overturning that law. Which means that your condition can never be satisfied in any way except by amending the constitution to add dramatically more protections for gun owners than currently exist, and than are currently enshrined in the constitution for any other kind of property.

          So... basically what you seem to be saying is that you'd be fine with a registration scheme if and only if something completely impossible were to happen?

          •  Um, no, I think you're reading too much into it. (0+ / 0-)

            I mean there's already the 2nd Amendment and the Heller verdict; there's the 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable search & seizure, etc.

            But these things did not stop confiscations or attempts at confiscations in the past, and I'm talking about confiscations from people who had not been convicted of any crimes. There was no due process of law.

            So I'm simply saying that at some point in any proposed registration law, there'd have to be something in that self-same body of law that reaffirms the right to posses lawfully, and protection from arbitrary confiscation.

    •  Same way the gun industry does - money (0+ / 0-)

      Why are cars built that can go 200 MPH?

      Speed kills

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:25:33 PM PST

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      •  Cars aren't built to kill. guns are. (0+ / 0-)

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:34:12 PM PST

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        •  You never rode in a Pinto or Vega (1+ / 0-)
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          you'd feel different.

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by ctexrep on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:06:23 PM PST

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          •  Pintos got a bad rap (1+ / 0-)
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            I had the recall down on mine and even though my husband was rear ended and the car basically totaled it didn't explode.  

            There have been some crappy cars out there, but they weren't built to kill on purpose.  No car is - and we've definitely made cars safer over the years.  

            Can't say the same thing about guns.  They're made to kill.  We've tried to put restrictions on them to make them safer - trigger locks, gun safes, etc. and encourage people to use those devices for their gun(s).  But without the action of the owner to use the lock / safe, the gun is just as deadly.  

            "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

            by Ricochet67 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:32:17 PM PST

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          •  And they were recalled. Your point is pointless. (0+ / 0-)

            They were recalled, making it safer for humans to drive. In fact, car manufacturing is very regulated. You have to have a computerized system in the car to determine flaws-- this was passed by Congress in the early 1980's.

            No difference to 'recall' bad weapons, and regulate the rest.

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