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  •  True but... (16+ / 0-)

    Regarding this case.  Somehow this shooter acquired a gun.  If that gun had been registered to someone and they had a license, their license could have been revoked for selling or lending a weapon to someone without a license.  If it had been stolen and the victim did not report it stolen, they could be held liable and their insurance would have to at least cover damages.  

    Would it stop 100% of the gun violence? no.  Does drunk driving laws stop 100% of drunk drivers? no.  Does drunk driving laws reduce the number of drunk drivers on the roads? I do not think you would find anyone who would say that it doesn't.  Should we not have drunk driving laws because it doesn't stop 100% of drunk drivers?  I think everyone knows the answer to that.

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    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:26:04 AM PST

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    •  I agree all gun sales (0+ / 0-)

      should require background checks - dealers, gun shows and private sales - the problem being - there are millions or "cold guns" meaning, there are no records of them - so there still are no records of the transaction becasue no one knows the gun exists.  

      If you sold a person a gun - even if it was a legal sale - and the cops came to you to find out - would you admit to selling the gun or would you say - "I never sold anyone that gun" - if it was a cash transaction - there's no record.  Would you want to potentially become an avenue of recourse?

      In your example - you assume that the owner of the gun knows it's been stolen - what if one gun was stolen of of a large collection - most private gun collectors don't do a daily inventory.

      I don't like the drunk driving analogy becasue that argument can be pro / con for guns - there are laws on the books - do they prevent criminals from getting guns? - yes - are their ways around it? - yes.  Do we make everyone blow  breathalizer before starting their car?  No.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:08:09 PM PST

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      •  Are you serious? (0+ / 0-)
        In your example - you assume that the owner of the gun knows it's been stolen - what if one gun was stolen of of a large collection - most private gun collectors don't do a daily inventory.
        If someone has a really big gun collection and they didn't secure it well enough to prevent someone from stealing one or more guns, and then they never even noticed it was gone, then they deserve to have that, and their car keys, and very possibly their children, taken away from them. Irresponsibility is not a defense.
    •  None of that stuff will pass, nor is it being (0+ / 0-)

      proposed realistically.

    •  But guns aren't registered to people (0+ / 0-)

      at least in most jurisdictions.

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      by samddobermann on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 04:23:55 AM PST

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