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  •  I wouldn't at all mind seeing (0+ / 0-)

    all religions taxed as the businesses they really are.

    The First Amendment doesn't guarantee religions (or other non-profits) tax exemption, therefore taxing them is not a violation of the First Amendment.

    It is simply a change in the tax codes.

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    by Noddy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:53:35 PM PST

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    •  Why limit to churches, why not all non-profits? (0+ / 0-)

      Tax the Catholic Church and Planned Parenthood the same as Walmart.

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      by nextstep on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:01:32 PM PST

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      •  So, you selectively read my comment? (0+ / 0-)

        Please read it again:

        The First Amendment doesn't guarantee religions (or other non-profits) tax exemption, therefore taxing them is not a violation of the First Amendment.
        Thank you.

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        by Noddy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:13:55 PM PST

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        •  You did not advocate taxing all non-profits (0+ / 0-)

          You only wrote that it was constitutional to tax non-profits including.  

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          by nextstep on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:31:10 PM PST

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          •  I didn't? Really? (0+ / 0-)

            I have no problem with all business endeavors, whether they claim  to be non-profit or not, religious or not, being taxed or having their tax status regulated, changed, and enforced by the IRS, as Congress determines what is and isn't tax exempt. Including bake sales.

            As Congress is composed of our elected employees, it is the job of Congress to determine what we, their employers, want them to do and then to write legislation to accomplish that goal.

            If that means that one formerly tax exempt organization needs to explain why they should continue to receive tax exemption, or if it involves rewriting the tax codes so that an entire class of organizations is no longer tax exempt, or if it involves rewriting the tax codes so all tax exempt organizations report their taxes/tax exemptions in exactly the same way, then that's the way society changes, evolves, and grows.  

            The Constitution does not protect any person or organization or company from being taxed.

            Is that clear enough for you?

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            by Noddy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:51:50 PM PST

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    •  Taxing all nonprofits the same way... (0+ / 0-)

      ...would probably not be a violation of the First Amendment—though I don't think we would improve anything about the nation by taxing all nonprofit organizations.

      What would be a violation of the First Amendment would be a policy to tax religious organizations while not taxing other nonprofit organizations.

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      by JamesGG on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:36:32 PM PST

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      •  Don't think so (0+ / 0-)

        That's a matter of Congress and the IRS tax codes. Dragging the Constitution into a tax discussion is a red herring.

        It diminished my respect for you.

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        by Noddy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:01:19 PM PST

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        •  You don't think there would be... (0+ / 0-)

          ...a constitutional problem if religious organizations were taxed for doing exactly the same things that nonreligious nonprofits aren't taxed for doing, simply because they are religious organizations?

          You really don't think that the government discriminating against religious organizations by means of the tax code wouldn't be a pretty clear violation of the First Amendment?

          On what legal reasoning do you base that opinion?

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          by JamesGG on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:45:58 PM PST

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