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  •  Why should Church property and revenue be (0+ / 0-)

    exempt?  Most of them are ponzi schemes anyway despite the fact that they may do some good.  I never understood this exemption. If they can afford $4.5 M to build an oceanfront taj mahal, why don't they pay taxes on the infrastructure that supports their buildings?  Sewers, roads, etc.

    •  [citation needed] (0+ / 0-)
      Most of them are ponzi schemes anyway
      How exactly are "most" churches ponzi schemes?

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:48:54 PM PST

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      •  Let's take those that "tithe" to begin. They take (0+ / 0-)

        10% of congregation $$ and then take those tax free revenues to give back to the congregation and skim some off the top for private planes, fancy homes, jewelry, etc.  If it went to the poor or sick,  I would have no problem. But that is not the story of most mega churches, certainly not the story of Vatican or the Church of England.

        •  I reiterate: [citation needed] (0+ / 0-)
          Let's take those that "tithe" to begin. They take 10% of congregation $$ and then take those tax free revenues to give back to the congregation and skim some off the top for private planes, fancy homes, jewelry, etc.
          Odd... I've never seen my priest in a private plane, and his home is no more fancy than mine. I've never been "given back" even a penny of the tax-free "revenue" my church takes in, and each of us gives to the church as we feel led to.

          And in my 33+ years in the church, in virtually every Christian denomination there is, that has been the norm for the churches I've attended—not the exception.

          You seem to be painting with a pretty broad brush on what "they," the churches, do. Can you provide a citation to support your claim that the picture you're painting is somehow representative of the vast majority of churches, rather than a small and abusive minority?

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:43:36 PM PST

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          •  There is a timely diary up just today on LA (0+ / 0-)

            diocese.
            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Then there is Crystal Cathedral whose finances became public in a lawsuit.  Gucci shoes on Catholic bishops and all the gold in the Vatican?  The cardinals did not get those things through dowries when they entered religious life.  Trinity Broadcast, and on and on.

            •  And yet, you didn't just claim... (0+ / 0-)

              ...that a few religious organizations were using their congregations for financial gain; you claimed that "most of them are ponzi schemes anyway."

              You can't clear that bar by adding more anecdotes, unless the total number of those anecdotes exceeds 50% of all religious organizations in the country.

              "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

              by JamesGG on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:57:46 PM PST

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              •  I think the Catholic Church represents a large (0+ / 0-)

                portion of congregations.  The mega churches, with some notable exceptions, fit the mold.  The Mormon church?  I think there is sufficient suspicion that the tax exemption should be discussed.

                •  You think that's the case? (0+ / 0-)

                  You made a strong claim about most churches; even if I grant for the sake of argument that the Roman Church and LDS Church are "Ponzi schemes," you still need to present more evidence that those churches make up a majority of all churches than that "you think" that's the case.

                  Let's see some data.

                  "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

                  by JamesGG on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 06:05:43 AM PST

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