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  •  All of your points are quite valid. (17+ / 0-)

    However, even given them, I still can't take the Weather Channel people seriously when they talk about "winter storm Nemo" or Magnus, or whatever name they give it.  Why not just give in and name every little front that comes through?  then I can listen to them say "Winter weather system Honey Boo-Boo will dimp approximately 1/4 inch of showers in the San Diego area when it moves through, to be followed by sunny skies and mild temperatures..."  Hey, to some people, that's exceptional weather.  :-)

    /mild snark off

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:53:08 AM PST

    •  But something has changed about the weather (7+ / 0-)

      Having the Weather Service name winter storms is a great idea, to me, if the Weather Service would say:
      "Our climate has changed. This last storm (Nemo, if you will) looked like it was forming an eye. This is what happens with CLIMATE CHANGE. So we will name winter storms, because the hurricane season is no longer confined to June 1 to November 1."

      It can be an educational tool, and we should use it as such.

      •  the "eye" feature really isn't at all rare (10+ / 0-)

        in extratropical storms, even before climate change. It appears tropical (and I admit I purposely used that image for that very reason), but it really isn't. The storm is still extratropical.

        It's called occusion--the cold and warm fronts attached to the surface low have combined and a pool of relatively warm air has become trapped in the center.

        Jeff Masters explains here

        Is it a hurricane or an extratropical storm? Satellite image of Winter Storm Nemo taken at 3 pm EST Saturday, February 9, 2013 shows a very hurricane-like storm. The storm had undergone a process known as "occlusion", which trapped a shallow area of warm air near the center. These "warm air seclusions" are not uncommon in intense wintertime extratropical storms, and Nemo was not very hurricane-like in structure, despite the appearance of this satellite image.
        Now there is a climate change aspect to nor'easters, and that is storm surge. Nor'easters can bring wicked storm surges to the east coast (all of Boston's top storm surges were nor'easters and not hurricanes), and as they'll likely be more intense, they'll bring more damaging surges to an already overdeveloped coast.

        relax relate release

        by terrypinder on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:05:30 PM PST

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        •  Thank you for attempting to help people make sense (7+ / 0-)

          Of all this.

          I get seriously steamed when people refer to the flood damage of Katrina in New Orleans as "proof of climate change." No it isn't - it was a level three hurricane there. What the flooding after Katrina was proof of is that our levee system is seriously broken, and that the Army corp of Engineers rarely makes intelligent decisions and rarely take s intelligent actions. (As I type this, millions of people could suffer should the broken down levee system around Sacramento Calif get tested by serious flooding. Probably won't happen this year - we aren't slated for much rain. But next year, who knows?)

          I also get steamed when "meteriologists" on CNN or the Weather Channel start saying "Oh my Gawd - Noes! it was -34 in International Fall, MN yesterday night. That is proof of what strange things the weather is doing."

          It is not unusual to have -34 degrees in Northern Mn. That is called "Winter." What is unusual is that now this factoid is beamed into tens of  millions of homes every day, and since most people in Georgia probably never paid attention to the situation with Montana, Minnesota or Idaho cold front weather before, it seems seriously wrong.

          I was really happy for you to spell out the particulars.

          Offer your heart some Joy every day of your life, and spread it along to others.

          by Truedelphi on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:30:02 PM PST

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        •  Can I just arrange to have only the warmest (1+ / 0-)
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          air "secluded" over my house? Just asking. Just during winter, you know.

          Last winter wasn't bad, almost no snow at all (after the blizzard of Halloween).

          Sigh.

          I hate winter.

          Hey Punxsutawney Phil, where the hell is our early spring? Ya danged rodent!

    •  AND all your base are belong to us /nt (0+ / 0-)

      Mmmmm. Sprinkles. - H.J. Simpson.

      by ten canvassers on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 07:21:23 PM PST

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    •  TWC bucked the rules (1+ / 0-)
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      I think the real issue here is that TWC made a unilateral decision to name winter storms without other major players (NWS, WMO, AMS, other large private organizations) signing on. Professional organizations generally act on consensus. TWC went out on a limb, and now they look foolish.

      •  But it worked, didn't it? (0+ / 0-)

        Got their name in all the papers and across the TeeVee. Both their name and "their" name.

        Great marketing ploy.

        And next storm everyone and their second cousins is going to compete to replicate it. It will be a farce. A bigger farce.

        Heck why doesn't the NOAA just handle it by lottery? Everyone who wants to name the storm buys a ticket with their chosen name. A random drawing determines the winner. The NOAA keeps the money to fund their service.

        Or just sell naming rights like they do stadiums. Here comes Winter Storm The Walking Dead!

        It'll work, I tell ya!

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