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  •  lol If you ever find yourself capable of an adult (0+ / 0-)

    conversation, I'd be happy to have one. Until then...

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    by FarWestGirl on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 03:25:06 PM PST

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    •  i get angry at obfuscation (0+ / 0-)

      I shouldn't.  I lose the argument when I do that.  But it's bullshit when people do that and you know it.  You talk about stuff, i.e. me, other than the issue at hand:  the dogs shitting down on each other in cages at the puppy mills, the torture a dog suffers when they stay caged or tethered all day.  And the AKC lobbies against laws that try to address those red necks' evil, pathetic behavior.  And you know it but you try to deflect from those facts.

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      by gnostradamus on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 06:10:42 PM PST

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      •  So do I. I don't defend puppy mills, I believe (0+ / 0-)

        that irresponsible breeders should be closed down. I do disagree with your apparent definition of torture and how it lacks perspective.

        What I know is that 'throwing the baby out with the bath water', as they used to say, is counterproductive. Tossing all breeders into the same bin as the irresponsible ones is a bad idea on many levels.

          The AKC has some very poor policies and many dog breeders have done rotten things in pursuit of the free market and profits. But: the AKC has also been the only check on many things that irresponsible breeders do and if they weren't in place, things would be much worse. I don't like the AKC, I don't like many of the nasty, backbiting assholes who show dogs, (or horses), or the way they ruin good breeds with their damned fads in pursuit of a buck.  But working in an imperfect world, we do what we can with what we've got. We're not going to eliminate all the idiots everywhere and painting them all one color, evil, is not going to get everyone on your side to take action. It's like the GOP going after everyone who needs public assistance for the bad behavior of a few who do scam the system.

        Pressuring the AKC is useful, screaming terrible words at the top of one's lungs at the drop of a hat is not only not useful, it is counterproductive. Once people realize you are not going to take a reasonable look at individual situations and are instead going to lump all sorts of things together and try to get them to help you sweep the whole mess, good, bad and indifferent, out, they're going to tune you out. I guess what I'm saying mostly is that the world is not as black and white as it seems you want it to be, It would be really nice if people who did bad things would just stay cardboard cutouts that we can shit on and vilify and feel good about doing it, but that's not the real world.

        I'm not trying to deflect from the bad things that puppy mills do, I'm trying to get you to see that even the people who claim to be the good guys have got feet of clay and need to be held accountable for their actions, too. Just because the ASPCA does some good work, it doesn't mean they should have a get-out-of-jail-free card for the sneaky, dishonest things that they pull. Any more than the AKC should have carte blanche to do whatever they want because they do occasional good things, too.


        Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. ~The Druid.
        ~Ideals aren't goals, they're navigation aids.~

        by FarWestGirl on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:48:45 PM PST

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