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  •  What I'm finding discomfitting is how this is (2+ / 0-)
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    being handled by a few on the left.  While we've spent years railing against the white militias who have claimed the right to do this, we're now discussing whether Dorner's doing it isn't a really good thing and maybe we should consider him a hero?  Apparently because he's black and is releasing information that we have always suspected about the LAPD and his political beliefs are on the "right" side.

    Hypocrisy anyone?  Can you imagine the uproar there would be on this site if he was one of the white militias and had just shot 3 innocent people?  Why the hell are we using a different standard for this guy?  

    Fortunately, this is the only diary and comments of the several written about him that has taken this approach.  The others have readily criticized the LAPD and the use of the descriptive of terrorist being used for him, and I've strongly supported those.   But this one is just bizzarre and I sincerely hope the apparent support being give is from just a few.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:54:50 PM PST

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    •  I see neither (12+ / 0-)

      the "apparent support" nor the "different standard" that you imagine here.  While I'm sure he has garnered some sympathy, especially "on the street", that is not the substance of any discussion I've seen on dKos, including in this diary.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:03:04 PM PST

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    •  huh? you need to work on your nuance and optics (18+ / 0-)

      who said he is a hero? and digging deeper, could he be a hero to some? why or why not? what are you afraid to ask?

      I am working through the cultural narrative and intersections with race, power, memory, and identity here. I am curious about the case. But as is my habit, am also trying to highlight another important aspect of this conversation. That is what I do by habit and training...thus the embedded links. Check them out, you may learn a thing or two and be surprised.

      Knowing is half the battle...as GI Joe says.

      •  There are many, many, many situations in which (1+ / 0-)
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        it's both wise and appropriate to work through "the cultural narrative and intersections with race, power, memory, and identity".  A matter of a murderer killing multiple people in cold blood is not one of them.  You're not so subtle suggestion that I must be "afraid" of something because I'm willing to call him a murderer and believe that Nothing justified what he did is pretty shallow for someone who's trying to claim that he's such a "deep" thinker that he considers the cultural aspects of the mind of a person who doesn't give a shit about the lives of innocent people is more important to understand than to be concerned about the innocent people who have already been killed and the innocent people who might yet be killed.  Unbelievable that anyone could think they're being superior to others because they're looking at this tragedy from a "cultural narrative" and considering it from the "intersections with race, power, memory, and identity".  It'll be a cold day in hell that I'm impressed with such a show of cold hearted intelligentsia.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:16:03 PM PST

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        •  Being "cold hearted" may help prevent the next (2+ / 0-)
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          Studying people's perceptions of Dorner is a distant second to taking him off the street, but most of us aren't qualified to do the latter.

          If there's someone out there believing anything favorable about him, let's find out why so we can combat that attitude.

          Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

          by Dogs are fuzzy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:26:54 PM PST

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    •  recommend a source * for current status updates, (0+ / 0-)

      please.
      who reports best, who tracks the drone/s, where is the site for "official" mouthpiece statements a la Macondo oil "accident" in the Gulf ...

      it's happening, first time ON OUR SOIL, and we need eyes and ears following it AS IT HAPPENS, to prevent lies.

      please provide good links, if any are found.
      flickering power here, hard to keep abreast.
      already still WAY behind from Friday ...

      There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.--@Hugh Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

      by greenbird on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:06:06 PM PST

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    •  Where do you get that anyone thinks what Dorner (6+ / 0-)

      did is a "good thing?"  Where?  That is nowhere in this diary or discussion as far as I can tell.  Please point me there as I have missed that entirely.  It is not part of the discussion.

      •  are you for real? (0+ / 0-)

        we are adults here.  There have been many of these "I don't agree with Dorner's actions, but I think we should discuss why he did it" diaries.

        People write these diaries because they DO agree with Dorner on this level, that level, or the other.  If they did not, they would not write the diary.

        Ever hear the set up to a smear  "I am not racist but...."  well, you get the point, or you should but wont.

    •  Thanks for your concern (0+ / 0-)

      the left cannot afford to be associated with murderers, then we'd be just as bad as you guys on the right.

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