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  •  I beg to differ. While he is maybe not outright (2+ / 0-)
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    advocating that Dorner be considered a hero, he's certainly suggesting that doing so is a rational, reasonable thing to do.  I strongly suspect that if you approach 100 people in LA, including minorities, poor, even those who have been targeted by the LAPD repeatedly, you'll not find more than 1 out of the 100 that would consider a cold blooded murderer a hero.  And that one would likely be a cold blooded murderer himself.

    Wrapping this all up in  some silly psuedo intellectual mumbo jumbo garbage does nothing to provide credence to any theory other than Dorner is perhaps mentally ill, perhaps selfish and self absorbed beyond belief, violent and dangerous, and most of all a cold blooded killer.

    He didn't kill the daughter and her fiancee because he thought he'd be promoting social justice by doing so.  He murdered them out of revenge.  As he said, he wasn't able to have a family, so he was taking the father's from him.  That's all personal.  Not a social justice issue at all.  Just a selfish, heartless person who considered it acceptable to murder a young woman and her fiancee to make someone he was angry at suffer.  What a hero.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:32:26 PM PST

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    •  There are people who already see him as a hero (1+ / 0-)
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      And will no matter how often you say he is a simple murderer.  The point here is figuring out where he fits into the cultural pantheon of heroes.

    •  You may be right...that only (5+ / 0-)
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      one out of a hundred would consider him a hero.
      But I think you'd be surprised how many would not agree with you in dismissing him simply as a "murderer, self absorbed beyond belief."

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:16:15 PM PST

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    •  again huh, what are you reading? much projection (10+ / 0-)

      here on your part. let's work through this together. why the fear of working through--gosh so frightening--the possibility that some in this society, disempowered, the subaltern, etc.--may see Dorner as a hero or anti-hero?

      What does that tell us about our culture, justice, fairness, identity, power?

    •  More an "Antihero" (3+ / 0-)
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      than some kind of actual hero. Like Jesse James, Billy the Kid, Al Capone (insert legendary /romanticized anti-hero here). Unremorseful thieves and killers for the most part. The public has a not well hidden fondness for bad guys. The more notorious the better. It didn't start with Robin Hood, and won't end with whoever the current bad guy(s) are.

      Plays to an aspect of human psychology, I guess.

      •  In fact, as we were watching (3+ / 0-)
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        that Die Hard movie the other night - the one with Justin Long about the "fire sale" that we watch every few months because we have it and enjoy it - it occurred to me that John McClain costs the government and/or corporations a whole heckuva lot more money than he's ever going to be worth as a human in the real world. Heck, in this one he's taking out entire highway overpass systems and even an FA-18, not to mention the gas and electricity 'hub' for the entire east coast!

        But we love him so much they keep right on making more Die Hard movies, and he keeps right on destroying buildings /infrastructure /military/governmental materiel (and lots of bad guys) while thwarting two-bit terrorists who are inevitably just after the money in one fashion or another. And he always gets a commendation for it. Anti-Hero Anti-Bank Robber tough guy.

        Anti-heroes are a whole genre in all popular culture mediums. Most these days aren't Men In Tights, but armed and dangerous bad-asses with grudges to settle.

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