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  •  I am not a loon (0+ / 0-)

    but I do know how much history distorts what really happens in many cases.   People are constantly suprised when heroes weren't very heroic, and bad guys really were freedom fighters.

    I am not saying that will happen, just that it is possible.  Plus plenty of revisionist historians, some famous ones, say the founding fathers were just a group of rich guys wanting more of the pie, and they started a war to exploit people, kept slaves, etc. to feather their own nests.

    •  So, what's the chance of that? (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously; this is the problem that I have.  Either Dorner killed three innocent people in his quest to clear his name or he didn't kill them and it's just the most interesting coincidence since about ever that he targeted these people and someone else just happened to have killed them.

      Either way, I don't see how any sane person equates Dorner with American colonists and all you and a few others have offered is some theory that the gloss of history will provide a justification or he'll become some kind of sick cult hero.  Well, what justification was there for killing Ms. Quan and her fiance?  "Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs?"  

      •  you keep want to make it personal (0+ / 0-)

        no one here said they would personally make Mr. Dorner their hero.   It was an abstract discussion about mythologies that build up around certain people,  how they do become cult heroes even after doing evil things, how some disenfranchised subcultures view things differently than the main culture.

        If the US colonists had lost, they would have been traitors justly hanged by the Crown in the history books.  

        No one says Mr. Dorner has any personal traits that justify his being or becoming an icon in history where all his sharp edges and worst motives are hidden, rubbed out of the books.   But some of us, maybe those of us who have had some exposure to questioning how 'mainstream' history gets written and rewritten, realize that odd things happen with enough time, a few inaccurate biographies or sensationalized and fictionlized accounts are accepted as serious academic work,  and suddenly, contemporaries couldn't recognize someone in the myth.   And sometimes societies create these myths, champions, out of people who are not deserving.

        I am perfectly ok with Mr. Dorner being caught, tried and punished.  I am perfectly happy if he becomes some odd little footnote or is never noted in a history book.   He didn't set out to help the world when he started his murder spree, once upon a time, he might have meant to do good, but that's not where he ended up.  But could history ignore some of that middle that was just wrong and bad, yes, it could.

        At this site, it wouldn't be hard to find people who understand that the cowboys were not always good guys even if that is what most movies portrayed for decades, but out in the larger population, how much of Hollywood's mythos has replaced reality?

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