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  •  Simple ... (29+ / 0-)

    KC Golden put it well, the Keystone Principle is quite simple:

    STOP MAKING IT WORSE!
    The Harper government and its climate denial/climate destructiveness is ruining not just our future but staining Canada's reputation for thoughtful/capable/basically decent (albeit not perfect) governance.  From being on the leading edge of governance that others should look to, when it comes to energy and climate, the Harper government is disgraceful and destructive and shameful.  Time for the Canadian majority to stop their bickering and create a coalition to win the next election and stop Harper from ruling with minority support.

    Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

    by A Siegel on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 03:10:01 PM PST

    •  Getting a Grip on Climate Solutions (9+ / 0-)

      KC is an excellent writer and climate leader, and I strongly recommend his blog to everyone.

      •  Climate solutions is fantastic, and I wish this (4+ / 0-)
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        logic of "will surely follow best path" holds true. Sadly, the path of these billions in India  and China will be the most cost efficient rather than a sustainable prosperity.

        Now, we can’t very well say to China and India:  “Sorry, the atmosphere is already full of the carbon that created our prosperity, so you’re out of luck.”  But we also can’t say “Go ahead and build out coal-fired economies; and here, take our coal,” because then we are all toast, scientifically speaking.  The only fair way forward is for the developed economies to pioneer a new, sustainable prosperity that works for us for the long haul and for the billions more who will surely follow the best path to prosperity available to them.  That’s what we’re trying to do in the Pacific Northwest.  And coal export is, well, the opposite of that.

        "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

        by Kvetchnrelease on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 04:29:01 PM PST

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        •  Actually, that's a good thing. (4+ / 0-)
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          Sadly, the path of these billions in India  and China will be the most cost efficient rather than a sustainable prosperity.
          The cost of wind power has come down so much that it's often cheaper than coal power IF making coal power requires building power plants.  (Coal power can still beat wind if the coal power plant already exists.)  India is a very sunny country and can generate a lot of solar power at a fairly reasonable cost.  Indians are objecting to new coal burning generators because they don't like the pollution and the use of land for mining.  With a little encouragement in the form of international financing for wind and solar, and the cutting off of financing for coal, India could switch to renewables relatively soon.  

          The Chinese, despite not having democratic representation, are objecting to coal power because they don't like the pollution either.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/...  .  China is having to mine deeper and harder-to-get coal, so the cost of coal power is going up.  They installed about 13 gigawatts of wind power in 2012 and now have over 75 gigawatts of capacity installed.  Coal does not appear to be king in either China or India.  

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 08:11:07 PM PST

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          •  OK, but 75 GWh is tiny compared to 4,100,656 GWh (0+ / 0-)

            generated in US in 2011.
            In 2011, total U.S. electricity generation was 4,100,656 gigawatt-hours (GWh)

            "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

            by Kvetchnrelease on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 09:07:44 AM PST

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            •  True, 75 gigawatts isn't much compaired to (0+ / 0-)

              what the world uses, but it's better than nothing and it's increasing every year.  Gotta start somewhere.  

              China and India are "lucky" in that they don't have an overwhelming number of coal burning power plants that are already bought and paid for, like the US and Europe do.  Since China and India have to construct generating capacity anyway, if the cost of renewables is close to the cost of new construction coal power, they have the opportunity to go straight to renewables.  That's why it's so important for the IMF, World Bank and other international financing bodies to STOP FINANCING coal burning generators.  The international financing of coal plants acts as a subsidy for them as opposed to wind power.  Wind generators have improved so much in the last few years that IF (a big if) wind and coal are put on an equal financial footing, wind wins in many parts of the world.  It's just cheaper.  

              Renewable energy brings national global security.     

              by Calamity Jean on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 06:56:44 AM PST

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