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  •  Given that we don't have those things (5+ / 0-)

    You're saying that a lot of the population simply isn't worth enough to feed, house, and clothe them.  Not that you think they should go without those things, clearly you don't, but that's what wages mean in our society.

    As an aside, this reveals the Minimum Wage for what it really is: A way for the skilled middle-class to price the unskilled poor out of the labor market!
    Which is absolute nonsense.  Paying a living wage, which this barely meets the requirements for in may places, should be the bare minimum, unless you think that people should just shut up and be poor.  This is going to affect industries that have huge numbers of "unskilled" employees like fast food, etc, much more than small businesses in that it will help the workers survive.

    According to your logic we should have no minimum age at all because we might end up paying people more than they're "worth".

    •  Close. (0+ / 0-)
      "You're saying that a lot of the population simply isn't worth enough to feed, house, and clothe them."
      Not a lot. Some.

      Also it is not that they aren't worth it, it's just that they don't have the skills to produce enough goods and services to support what they consume.

      So, we must make up the difference.

      And by "we", I mean society -- not the unlucky guy who happens to hire one of them.

      •  A lot. (1+ / 0-)
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        ZhenRen

        Unless 3.8 million as of 2011 isn't that much.

        You seem to want it both ways, to have society take care of people and not pay people very much.  For now, how much we pay people is how we take care of people.

        Also it is not that they aren't worth it, it's just that they don't have the skills to produce enough goods and services to support what they consume.
        Producing enough to support what we consume is pretty easy, as illustrated by the fact that very few of us actually produce anything and yet still support what we consume.  You have a very basic view of how the economy works based on what appears to be a very basic, and possibly terribly flawed if this will put you out of business, business model.
      •  The problem is the entire capitalist model (0+ / 0-)

        is based on exploitation.

        The reason business owners say they need low wage workers is because they demand a certain degree of profit, less than which they believe they can't maintain their standard of living, which means that their wealth comes at the expense of the poor. That is why it is called wage slavery.

        When wages are raised,  some industries will have to adjust and change the way they do business, but the economy will adjust, and life will go on, and the wage slaves will be a little better off. You might have to take a cut in income, and maybe then you will experience what it is like to earn less money.  You will be sharing the pain of those whom you exploit. Maybe that will spur you on to find another way to do business, and make a profit not based on exploitation.

        The answer, long term, is a different form of economy. And that would be some form of socialism.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 02:35:03 PM PST

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