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  •  So you would pay them less and expect everyone (3+ / 0-)
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    AoT, Proletariatprincess, schnecke21

    else, through their taxes, to supply the safety net that keeps them from starving? While you make a profit on the house they improved when you flip it?
    You don't seem to have much regard for the people who make your business possible, have you ever thought about what would happen if they all quit? Could you run the business without them? Maybe they are more valuable than you think?

    You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

    by Thomasina on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 11:20:43 AM PST

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    •  Yes. Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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      And, because my business is profitable, I would pay higher taxes to support low-paid workers.

      Those who are getting rich in America should pay. But the problem with the Minimum Wage is that it hits you before you even make a profit.

      We don't want to stop economic activity from happening. We want the house to be renovated. We just need to make adjustments on the back-end...transferring wealth from the profitable businesses (or high-paid workers) to the low-paid workers.

      If we try to do the transfer on the front-end, we might stop the job from happening. Then there will be nothing to tax, no wages to spend, no house to live in.

      •  So either you pay higher taxes, or higher wages. (3+ / 0-)
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        Tim DeLaney, Catte Nappe, schnecke21

        It wiill be one or the other. Would the higher wages not be tax deductible for you? As a business expense?

        Look, I understand your need to make a profit and to do that you have to keep costs down.

        But most workers would rather make a decent wage and not have to rely on government  assistance as a supplement to low wages to keep from starving. For their dignity and sense of self-worth.

        Those un-skilled workers count too. Seriously, try flipping a house without them some time.

        You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

        by Thomasina on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:30:49 PM PST

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      •  At what rates? (1+ / 0-)
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        And, because my business is profitable, I would pay higher taxes to support low-paid workers.
        What effective tax rate (total amount of taxes in a year divided by total profits) would you be willing to pay? What marginal rate (tax on each additional dollar of profit) would you be willing to pay?

        Writing in all lower-case letters should be a capital offense

        by ebohlman on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 01:24:29 PM PST

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      •  No, you wouldn't "pay the higher taxes," (0+ / 0-)

        and you know it.

        You would simply hire better lawyers and accountants to weasel out of them.

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