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  •  I am sorry to tell you (6+ / 0-)

    that smoking a joint harms your lungs - smoking anything harms your lungs.

    There are people who become addicted to the high they get from marijuana. Is it probably a significantly lower number of addicts when compared to many other legal and illegal substances? Absolutely. It is even likely that the marijuana addict would end up addicted to the first thing that gave that person a high.

    I do not think that it serves the cause of legalization to make broad statements such as "marijuana is not addictive or harmful". A better argument is that even though it can be both harmful and addictive it is no more so than alcohol and cigarettes - and probably less harmful/addictive than either!

    If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
    If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
    If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

    by A Gutin Daf on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:49:14 AM PST

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    •  0 deaths in the history of mankind. (13+ / 0-)

      It is not chemically addictive. People can become addicted to anything.

      I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.

      by ReverseThePolarity on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 05:59:33 AM PST

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      •  If that is your argument for legalization (1+ / 0-)
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        you are not going to get anywhere. I do not think the average person typically makes the distinction between different types of addiction.

        While I doubt you can prove the 0 deaths number the science supports the ways in which weed is and is not addictive - as you said, it's not chemical.

        If you read my entire comment you would see my conclusion - since it is probably LESS harmful/addictive than two other legal and highly regulated substances there is no good reason NOT to legalize.

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:32:11 AM PST

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        •  Im just saying (4+ / 0-)
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          http://www.m.webmd.com/...

          It has a theraputic effect and cannabinoids have shown anti-cancer and neuroportectant properties. The possible harm done by smoke can be eliminated by vaporizing or making edibles or wax/oils, if the medicinal properties don't alieviate the negative effects of the smoke themselves.

          You would have to inhale something like 15 pounds in 15 minutes in order to get a lethal dose, and even then youd probably die from asphyxiation first. Thats fairly harmless.

          In regard to the comparisions between the different tyles of addiction, yes, people may not think of it in those terms, that's why I like to differentiate.

          I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.

          by ReverseThePolarity on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:52:13 AM PST

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        •  Criminalize Chocolate! (5+ / 0-)
          I do not think the average person typically makes the distinction between different types of addiction.

          It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

          by VictorLaszlo on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:44:46 AM PST

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    •  By all means, let's eliminate all that is harmful (13+ / 0-)

      Playing football can cause concussions, and serious joint injuries that can impair mobility for the rest of your life.   Let's outlaw football, because it's so harmful to you.   And, bicycles, skateboards, scooters, trampolines.   Anything bad for a person should be outlawed.     We could outlaw sugar, and salt, and sex (you might catch a disease), and chocolate. and french friends  In particular, we should outlaw caffeine, and every over-the-counter drug.  And, skiing.  Look how many people die from hitting their heads, skiing.  

      There was a movie made about this called Demolition Man, about what happens when the government decides that it should outlaw everything that the government decides is harmful or could cause injury or be bad for your health.

      The main character starts out the movie, complaining that she's "Sooooo Bored!!!!   Even a murder is welcome, just because it gives some excitement to her safe booooorrrrring life.

      It's not the government's role to outlaw everything that could be harmful.   It is their role to ensure that the the information about harmful effects is publicly disseminated.  

      Besides, marijuana also has beneficial effects which can help to treat many conditions, and it is for each person to weigh whether, in their own circumstances, the beneficial effects outweigh the detrimental ones, so that the overall quality of life is improved.  For those who are disabled due to pain, or risking blindness from glaucoma, it might be worth risking harmful effects in order to become more functional and pain free.  Each person knows their own circumstances best, and should be free to make their own informed choice.  That's what living in a free society is all about.

      •  Did you read my entire comment? (1+ / 0-)
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        I am making an argument FOR legalization - what I am challenging is a pro-legalization argument that I think is hyperbolic and, therefore, not so useful.

        I fully agree with your last paragraph.

        I also don't think the govt' should get involved in what someone puts in their bodies unless there is a high likelihood of that person harming the rest of society because of their choice and, sometimes, eventual addiction.

        By the above reasoning there is no argument against legalization of pot that works - they all fall apart when they try to prove that criminalizing marijuana protects society.

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:35:58 AM PST

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      •  Sonny Bono! (1+ / 0-)
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        Outlaw skiing so this tragedy can be prevented in the future! And arrest those who attempt to sneak out and play in the snow. Put them through a de-icing program. Jail time!

        The recreational usage of drugs by a 'free' people should not be criminalized, period.

        "For people who profess to revere the Constitution, it is strange that they so caustically denigrate the very federal government that is the material expression of the principles embodied in that document." Mike Lofgren

        by GANJA on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:40:50 AM PST

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      •  did you mean "french friends" or french fries? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm guessing the latter; never heard that "french friends" are dangerous LOL

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 06:13:54 PM PST

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    •  You got a link? (7+ / 0-)

      Because I do. Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half. (That's a report of one of numerous studies with similar results.) Of course, there are more studies on other medical uses for marijuana.

      It is cruel to deny treatment to those who could be benefit from it.

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 06:53:22 AM PST

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      •  Remember I am in favor of legalization (5+ / 0-)

        for both recreational and medical use. I am against arguments that I see as working against the need to convince others.

        You were correct to challenge me on proof, though. Here is a quote from about a year ago article in NYTimes on an NIH study:

        The researchers found that for moderate marijuana smokers, an exposure of up to seven “joint years” — with one joint-year equivalent to smoking 365 joints or filled pipes, or an average of one joint a day for seven years — did not worsen pulmonary function. Dr. Kertesz noted that with heavier marijuana use, described as 10 joint-years of exposure or more, lung function did begin to decline.
        The research has not yet figured out whether or not smoking pot on a regular basis harms short term or long term memory of any time outside of being high.

        So, it is less harmful than even I assumed (pot is not my main issue as an activist or progressive). However, that does not change the fact that it is not helpful to say it is never harmful and only beneficial. Instead the better argument is the one from another comment above - that prohibiting everything that can cause someone harm in any way is not a good role for government to be playing.

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:47:52 AM PST

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    •  Sounds like a good reason for Medicare to... (1+ / 0-)
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      subsidize vaporizers.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 02:27:17 PM PST

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    •  Marijuana has not been proven to harm the lungs (0+ / 0-)

      As a matter of fact, it is thought it can actually help. I know it's hard to believe, but no one has proven otherwise.
      As for lung cancer, the only people who have gotten it and smoked weed, also smoked cigarettes.
      And marijuana is not, itself, addictive. Can it affect someone who has an addictive personality? Perhaps. But the drug itself is NOT addictive.
      Fact is, marijuana is NOT harmful OR addictive. No one has ever died from using it.
      We need to stop thinking it is simply another drug, with all sorts of side effects and just needs to be handles as another addictive substance.
      It needs to be fully legalized, the sooner the better.

      Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

      by MA Liberal on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 09:15:50 PM PST

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