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  •  Reid couldn't have flipped Boxer and Feinstein? (2+ / 0-)
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    On filibuster reform? I don't believe it. Reid was always the sticking point on reform.

    Durbin also backed up Reid's claim that he had the 51 votes necessary to use the so-called nuclear, or constitutional, option, but he said the goal was always to avoid using extreme measures and instead reach a compromise that both the majority and minority would be comfortable with.

    McCaskill, too, hinted that more could have been done had Reid gone forth without Republicans -- but she remained enthusiastic about the deal's prospects.

    Reid didn't postpose the vote to get more votes. He postposed it to reach another b.s. "gentleman's agreement".

    “Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men experience it as a whole. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.” - Helen Keller

    by Jason Hackman on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 10:52:30 AM PST

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    •  It's our job to flip them. (0+ / 0-)

      First and foremost they are our Senators.  I didn't vote for Boxer & Feinstein with the expectation they would need to be flipped by Harry Reid to do what's right.  

      •  ? (0+ / 0-)

        I voted for them because I thought they would do what's right straight off and wouldn't need to be flipped by anybody. Silly me.

        I guess our representatives can't fail they can only be failed?

        Bullshit.

        “Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men experience it as a whole. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.” - Helen Keller

        by Jason Hackman on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 12:51:54 PM PST

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        •  I don't understand this comment. (0+ / 0-)

          I have two pretty good Senators, especially Boxer.  I expect them to do what's right, which they normally do, and to do everything in their power to enact those measures - which they both did not do on Filibuster Reform.  It is their constituency's responsibility to get them back on the right path, not simply Harry Reid's.  You have a problem with that?

          •  I do have a problem with that. (0+ / 0-)

            How does Boxer plan on getting her Climate Change Bill through the senate without filibuster reform? How does DiFi plan on getting her AWB bill though? You think they need us to put them on the right path to understanding that, as if they don't already? The only person who could've changed their votes was Harry Reid. As it was, he probably had them change their votes to no for whatever lame reason he has to preserve the 60 vote threshold.

            In any case they've made themselves useless for at least the next two years while Republicans block everything they pretend to do. You have a problem with that?

            “Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men experience it as a whole. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.” - Helen Keller

            by Jason Hackman on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 03:51:59 PM PST

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            •  We basically saying the same thing. (0+ / 0-)

              The only difference, I guess, is that I think you should express what you've said to them directly, as well as to Harry.  This issue is only closed for two years if we let it be closed.  I think the idea that their constituency isn't convinced in their sincerity about AWB and the Climate Change Bill because of their Filibuster failure might have a larger impact than pressure from Harry Reid.  

    •  I figure Reid used some "tactical" argument (0+ / 0-)

      on these senators to get them to flip. If the "deal" somehow lets him still change the Senate filibuster rules even after that's supposed to be impossible, it might make some sense. More rope to justify big changes. Jed seems to think he can do that, but never explains how or why. If Reid/Dems can still make it happen, the real turning point will be when the Reps go all out to kill Cordray's appointment by filibuster.

      If they can't make it happen, if it's just yet another move to preserve the Senate's pomposity, then the petition should be to depose Reid.

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