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  •  WTF is with all the cleaning accidents? (6+ / 0-)

    Look, I do not now, nor have I ever owned a firearm, but I can't understand how so many people can shoot themselves while cleaning a weapon.

    My understanding of this is mostly from TV and movies, but if I were going to clean a firearm (it seems in most cases the troublesome weapons are semi-automatic pistols) I would adopt the following protocol:

    1. Remove magazine.

    2. Clear chamber and visually inspect from the top of the weapon.

    3. Point weapon into ground well away from your own or anyone else's feet.

    4. Pull trigger.

    5. Assuming hammer comes down on empty chamber, begin cleaning process.

    Am I missing something here?  Those of you who have guns, is there some way in which this process could fail?  I'm not saying that this is the appropriate way to do this.  As I've said, I've never owned a firearm, but it seems to me like the above would pretty much guarantee that no stray bullets would emerge from the gun during the cleaning process.

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    by journeyman on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 04:38:54 PM PST

    •  See comments above (4+ / 0-)

      that suggest how many gun owners would rather lie to law enforcement and say they were just cleaning their gun and it mysteriously "went off," rather than admitting what and how "really" stupid their behavior was to cause the "accident."

      •  Fair point, but . . . (0+ / 0-)

        Law enforcement has guns.  I assume they know them MUCH better than I do.  I believe I could very well ruin a weapon trying to clean it.  But I don't think I would shoot anyone in the process -- at least if my understanding of the mechanics is correct.

        If that's the case, then what are the chances that somebody who actually owns one of these things wouldn't have worked out what I suggested above?  And if that's the case, then what are the chances that law enforcement would believe them?

        Again, I stress that I am not a gun owner and I do not actually know that the process above would be guaranteed to work.  I'm just wondering if it is actually that simple and if so, what LEO is going to buy that bullshit?  Again, if I've missed something, please tell me.

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        by journeyman on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:27:02 PM PST

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        •  Your understanding of the mechanics is (0+ / 0-)

          correct, except most guns also have a safety/selector switch in the clearing process, which (it's been a long time) I would usually go between your nos. 4 and 5.

          Your overall concept includes the concept of redundant safety measures. e.g. clearing the chamber and the firing to verify.

          No officer, I didn't mean to shoot my girl friend with multiple rounds. Yes, officer I did put the ammo and the magazine in the oven. How was I supposed to know she would use the oven for baking? - ST. PETERSBURG, FL, 2/18/13

          by LilithGardener on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 03:22:19 PM PST

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    •  Some people don't clean their gun after every (0+ / 0-)

      time they use it (equiv. to emptying the ashtray of a car, even if you only smoked one cigarette).

      That means the only time they clean their gun is when it jams, which can include a round that's in the chamber, or a round that was not fully seated in the chamber. Some of these guys probably had no idea what to do with a jammed gun.

      If we had proficiency testing for each unique owner/firearm pair, they could be asked to demonstrate the steps for clearing a jam. For each type of gun there is a set of "triage" steps to take until you solve the problem or give up and take the gun to a gunsmith for repair.

      No officer, I didn't mean to shoot my girl friend with multiple rounds. Yes, officer I did put the ammo and the magazine in the oven. How was I supposed to know she would use the oven for baking? - ST. PETERSBURG, FL, 2/18/13

      by LilithGardener on Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 03:16:55 PM PST

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