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  •  If a new tunnel ever does get built (8+ / 0-)

    they should be sure the entrances are flood-proof (appropriate elevation) in another Sandy situation.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:54:31 PM PST

    •  Pump 'Em Out (3+ / 0-)
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      While flood-proofing is better, the many tunnels already in/out of Manhattan that flooded during Sandy were pumped out very promptly.

      Climate change disasters will dwarf our puny engineering's power to resist. We have to engineer to recover quickly and easily from the inevitable damage.

      If we're really good, we'll learn to exploit the silver linings of these new storms. Like equip tunnels with generators powered by the water influx that then push the water out. Maybe saving the trouble of periodic deep cleansing.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 05:47:56 AM PST

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      •  Pumping them out only works when normal sea (1+ / 0-)
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        eXtina

        level is low enough between storm events. All new infrastructure projects from this day forwards should take into account higher future sea levels. It doesn't cost that much to elevate the tracks and tunnel right near the entrance.

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 06:25:50 AM PST

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        •  We're Both Right (0+ / 0-)

          The tunnels and tracks do have to be designed to accommodate the rising seas. But not to avoid storm flooding, which is cheaper to handle with pumping.

          Or just go all the way, and build rail in submerged tubes designed to cope with frequent leaks. Lots of rail in the rights of way through the waterways. We might as well get used to living on an ark, constantly bailing and pumping the bilge.

          In fact the need for windmills to pump Amsterdam's canals as early as the Middle Ages gave the Dutch an essential power infrstructure that pushed them through the Industrial Age. Smart design will exploit the new landscape, not just mitigate the damage.

          The most adept will come out ahead of where we were.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 04:35:27 PM PST

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