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  •  Here is one article re: Limbaugh FCC offenses (4+ / 0-)
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    from Tim Graham/Huffington Post

    http://newsbusters.org/...

    "When faced with darkness, be the light. Remembering Richard Myers"

    by Leslie Salzillo on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:30:42 PM PST

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    •  Apologies. Wrong Link - (9+ / 0-)


      Here's is Sarah O'Leary's article in Huffington Post. What I posted previously is Tim Graham and his rightwing twisted take on the matter.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      "When faced with darkness, be the light. Remembering Richard Myers"

      by Leslie Salzillo on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:41:18 PM PST

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      •  Sarah O'Leary has brewed a cup of weak tea. (8+ / 0-)

        Sarah O'Leary may be an "Award-winning creative marketer, author and 'big idea' consultant," but she is all wet when it comes to FCC Enforcement matters.

        There is a lot of daylight between Limbaugh's rant against Sandra Fluke and what Howard Stern did to trigger the fines that drove him off terrestrial radio and onto satellite radio.

        The main difference is that Stern was very graphic in the physical descriptions, very detailed, and going on for quite some time as to who did what to whom.  Limbaugh has cleverly toed the FCC line.

        Misogynistic and racist rants, repulsive as they surely are, are not indecent, at least not according to how the FCC views indecency.

        I have some basis for writing the above.  I know more than the average Joe or Josie about this field.  I have defended licensees against charges brought against them by the FCC's Enforcement Bureau, including indecency charges.

        Limbaugh's "product" is so vile, in so many ways, that it saddens me that he attracts any sort of audience at all.  But it seems like there is a market for just about anything.

        •  How has Stern done on sat? Will Rush go there too? (3+ / 0-)

          Has Howard Stern's audience diminished since he has gone to satellite? Do you think Limbaugh will go there too, when he is eventually pushed off terrestrial radio?

          I wonder if Rush will be unattractive to satellite, because he'll have no sponsors left by then!

          •  I believe that Stern's audience on satellite (5+ / 0-)

            has been significantly smaller than what his audience was when he was in his heyday on terrestrial broadcast radio.

            Whether Rush has a future in outer space, time will tell.  I chuckle at the mental image of him suited up and sent on a one-way trip, like poor Laika, broadcasting from space until the air ran out, or until the orbit decayed.

          •  It's a different dynamic (6+ / 0-)

            Stern's audience on Satellite is a paid audience, they pay for the content and they can chose Stern ala carte - for an extra fee.   While his audience is "smaller" it's worth money.

            Frankly, as someone who listens to Stern now and again, he can be graphic and offensive and there are moments I get infuriated.. but as far as content, there are also moments here that have real merit, interviews where real things get discussed, etc.

            Plus, I tend to hold comedians to a much different standard then those who put up fake news.

            Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

            by Chris Reeves on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:17:10 AM PST

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        •  Limbaugh doesn't strike me as the (3+ / 0-)
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          kind of entertainer who studies rules and regulations and has, "cleverly toed the FCC line."

          The Sandra Fluke rant was offensive on many levels and yet he continued the rant unabated.  He must have gotten the "green light" from someone, right?

          Limbaugh's schtick hasn't changed much so either the FCC has given him a pass or doesn't regulate at all.

          When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

          by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 07:44:06 AM PST

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          •  He doesn't have to study the rules. (2+ / 0-)
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            There are paid experts who do that for him, for Premier, and for Clear Channel.

            •  OK, so we can assume that the (0+ / 0-)

              Sandra Fluke rant didn't go beyond acceptable standards, right?

              When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

              by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 01:08:43 PM PST

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              •  It did not violate the FCC's indecency standards. (1+ / 0-)
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                It was loathsome.  It was despicable.  It was libelous.  However, it was not actionably indecent, at least not in the way that the FCC defines indecency.

                •  Link to and excerpt from FCC Guidelines (1+ / 0-)
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                  http://www.fcc.gov/...

                  Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

                  Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:
                  •An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
                  •The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
                  •The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

                  When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                  by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:26:55 PM PST

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                  •  Limbaugh's diatribe was not obscene. (0+ / 0-)

                    Neither was it even indecent, not in the FCC sense.  It was not graphic enough to rise to the level of indecency, in the FCC sense of indecency.  And if it did not rise to the level of indecency, which it did not, it surely could not have been obscene.  Obscenity is to indecency as whiskey is to beer.

                    I share your outrage, but Limbaugh's diatribe simply was not actionably indecent, and neither was it actionably obscene.

                •  FCC Guidelines (1+ / 0-)
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                  http://www.fcc.gov/...

                  Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times

                  Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:

                  An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;

                  The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and

                  The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

                  When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                  by msmacgyver on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 08:30:24 PM PST

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                  •  Excellent. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Thank you for posting the FCC guidelines.

                    I think he may have gotten by on the third point, as the material was political and valuable to some at the time. In the long run - valuable to none. He did himself, his party, talk radio, and mainstream media a disservice, as well as Sandra Fluke.

                    "When faced with darkness, be the light. Remembering Richard Myers"

                    by Leslie Salzillo on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:24:46 PM PST

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                    •  Posted twice, as it turned out :) (0+ / 0-)

                      The first time I got an error message, so...

                      I don't know how he could have gotten past all three with the Sandra Fluke rant but apparently the FCC doesn't enforce much beyond the most blatant offenses.

                      I expect that censorship of any kind is a very tricky issue.

                      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

                      by msmacgyver on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:40:52 AM PST

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        •  We should thank Rush for his Sandra Fluke (4+ / 0-)
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          rant. His continual, endless and endlessly vile rants are moving the Republican party into ever increasing radical and radically unpopular positions. He is killing the Party with his voter alienation drive.
          To say he should be censured / censored by a government bureaucracy is a very short term, and a dangerous kind of thinking. Remember, you're next.
          The Stop Rush drive is an incredibly successful response and the kind of grass roots action that will put him out of business, or drain the money from the puppeteers who are driving the right-wing noise machine.  It is just a matter of time when he will be too much of a liability for them to support.

          "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

          by shmuelman on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 07:54:52 AM PST

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