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  •  There are still many, even here (2+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, duufus

    Who believe, or at least claim, that it was the best we could have gotten, and not what it actually was, what the leadership of both parties and the special interests who own them wanted. So long as we continue to believe in this nonsense, we are doomed to neoliberal hell.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 10:11:19 AM PST

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    •  the problem is that we have no where else (1+ / 0-)
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      to look beyond our current leaders.  We are watching the TP deal with the same problem by creating a civil war within the GOP that is costing the GOP seats in Congress.
      We cannot afford a civil war in our ranks and recognize that but so do our leaders and they exploit it

      •  Then we have a decision to make... (0+ / 0-)

        is the issue important enough to us to take the risk and speak loudly and vociferously against this monstrosity while trying to get something else implemented or do we pick a different battle but no risk of damaging the whole.

      •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        The TP helped stage the biggest upset in US political history in generations in 2010. That it is now backfiring is due more to the insanity of its leaders and positions than to its insurgent strategy (which of course was astroturfed, yet another way in which a LW insurgency would differ from the TP movement).

        We're not crazy (for the most part), and our positions actually make sense. We're just not politically effective--yet. Nor are we astroturfers. That was OFA and its staged progressive insurgency PR, which may have replaced the odious Bush regime but with one that is in many ways only marginally better--and in some ways worse. So I wouldn't count out an effective LW movement.

        In fact I believe it's inevitable, or else we're doomed.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 10:46:53 AM PST

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    •  Skepticism is good (0+ / 0-)

      But even as it was, it only just barely passed.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 02:49:03 PM PST

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    •  Since there was no attempt at all by Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      to even talk about single payer, and since he tossed the public option under the bus without so much as a "oh, by the way," we will never know whether or not it was the best we could get.  

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Sat Feb 16, 2013 at 07:28:52 PM PST

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