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    George Zimmerman, who pursued and shot Trayvon Martin for being black in the wrong neighborhood,
    This statement shows a prejudicial attitude that tarnishes the rest of your argument.  You then followed this up with
    highest rates of these kinds of burglaries were in "homes" where the head of household was aged 12 to 19, usually female, and black.  Most can't afford a gun, and, because of transient living situations, can't pass the background checks of most states that are geared to cater to the living situations of more white, affluent Americans.  Domestic attacks in suburban white neighborhoods, usually the places where the gun-obsessed live, are incredibly rare.
    Your valid point about needing to improve the domestic violence problem, and I would hope provide ways to deescalate things prior to the violence point, gets lost in the racism.
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      Sadly the only Trayvon Martin was profiled for his skin color. Whatever happened afterwards, depending upon the spin you believe, race was very much the cause of death.

      I use "homes" in quotes because the data comes from police reports, and the "head of household" between 12 and 19 usually is squatting someplace or homeless.

      "There are two types of people in this world: Those who like delis, and those with whom you should not associate." - Damon Runyan

      by Brian Ross on Sun Feb 17, 2013 at 03:40:02 PM PST

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      •  Thank you for clarifying (0+ / 0-)

        WRT, the Martin-Zimmerman issue, I think that we're going to have to wait for the courts.  Unfortunately, I think it may also go down in the annals with the OJ Simpson affair.  I think that it is certain that race played a part in the events, but I also don't think it is fair to say he was shot for being black.  I think the outcome of the event could have been altered by either party at one of several points.  I think that race based perceptions, prejudices, and learned behaviors all played a part in creating the situation.  Above all else, I think that there was a lot of stupidity on both sides.

        The domestic violence issue is a sticky wicket.  Unfortunately, trying to deprive people of their property is even stickier, though I understand the thinking behind it and you are right.  It really comes down to due process especially with a way to regain your property and we are talking about a system that is not renown for being very good at that.  I think that such an approach should be a last ditch effort and that we really need to improve the social safety nets and provide some relief valves for people going through these awful situations.  The DKOS author SwedishJewFish had some interesting things to say about mapping the incidents of DV and murder-suicide and the strong correlation to economic strife.

        To also play devil's advocate (purely with the intent of exploring the argument) , would removing the guns make a difference or would they use something else?  How many men could easily physically overpower their wives and wouldn't even need a weapon or how many of them would pick up a hammer?

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