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    •  speaking of knowing (2+ / 0-)
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      Shockwave, alba

      you claim that in 29, all fascist states save Germany were Catholic.  Even if we ignore the fact that Germany in '29 was a somewhat shaky democracy, that still doesn't make much sense.

      In '29, the Spanish civil war had yet to come, both Portugal and Spain were governed by comparatively moderate military governments already busy to release power to their respective successor states (the authoritarian Salazar Regime in Portugal, and the Second Republic in Spain, neither of which were fascist ).

      France and Austria were democracies, the latter slowly drifting towards authoritarian hands; so was Lithuania,  Poland was already there.

      So, yes, there was Italy, fascist.

      But who else?  The pseudofascist Kindom of Yugoslavia(majority Othodox)?

      Then, of course, what are you actually trying to say with this claim? "All fascist were Catholics" is quite a weak pronouncement - what you are actually trying to suggest is "Catholics are Fascists in nature"; else this remark doesn't make much sense in an article that mashes actual reporting with a a colorful mix of historic factoids and lies, and an ample dose of guilt by association into a broad overall tirade against the Catholic Church.

      •  Germany still has some states (1+ / 0-)
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        Shockwave

        that are predominately Catholic.  The RRC still has a lot of influence there.

        Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn

        by Ice Blue on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:09:33 PM PST

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      •  I did not write that in 29 all fascist states save (2+ / 0-)
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        blueoasis, PeteZerria

        were Catholic. What I wrote is that Catholic officials supported fascism and I could have been clearer that I was referring to that in WWII all European fascist states save Germany were Catholic - Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, Austria, Slovakia. Vichy France was Catholic as was the Rex movement in Belgium and the Iron Cross in Hungary.

        I did not write that "All fascists were Catholic" but it is true that the Vatican favored fascism until the Allies began to win the war.

        •  Oh, but you did. (0+ / 0-)

          Let me help your memory. From your diary:

          So when Benito Mussolini’s offer (...) was made in 1929, the deal was accepted. Besides, since (...) the Vatican abhorred democracy (...) Catholic officials supported fascism anyway, so much so that every European fascist country, save Germany, was Catholic.
          Your words. Emphasis mine.

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