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  •  I've republished this everywhere appropriate (18+ / 0-)

    If Rachel had been around following the Viet Nam War, I'm pretty sure there would be many fewer guys of my age suffering from PTSD. I'll be watching tonight.

    Thanks, Jim

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

    by llbear on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:22:49 AM PST

    •  Remember (5+ / 0-)

      The Country, collectively, said "we will never forget the lessons of Vietnam!"

      Whelp right from the first drum beat, abandoning the missions of why we even sent the military into that region, it was obvious not a damn lesson was learned! Not only in the public forum but also in the military, took them a couple of years to get to 'hearts and minds' as the 'we will be met with flowers from the population'! The flag waving, the magnetic ribbons, long gone, the lapel flag pins, the freedom fries and oh so many hollow words of support, still. And not a goddamn dime to pay for the wars but especially the long term results of, still!

      Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU: 15 December 2011 - Veterans’ health care costs to rise sharply over the next 40 years
      Brought down from above!

      And what are we still arguing about as the rubber stampers dig the heels in deeper and deeper in obstructing and many are now, and have been, playing rovian revisionist history write!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:59:50 AM PST

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      •  The country as a whole didn't learn (7+ / 0-)

        The 2004 presidential campaign was evidence for that. Even John Kerry didn't learn: he voted for an "authorization for the use of military force" and didn't insist upon a proper declaration of war vote. Obama didn't learn the lesson: he's only against "dumb wars," apparently not "smart" ones.

        The warmongers and profiteers learned plenty from Vietnam. No draft, borrow the money, discredit and even violently suppress independent journalism, and don't record your own conversations.

        It was the pair of questions I most wanted to ask of politicians in 2004: Do you think the USA was right to get militarily involved in Vietnam in the 1960s? Do you think we were right to leave in the 1970s? For most of them, the honest answers would be "yes" and "no." And so, come the next generation, we'll fight the same war again.

        Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

        by Simplify on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 07:38:47 AM PST

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