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  •  What do you think of having any (14+ / 0-)

    crimes involving law enforcement be investigated Federally?

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 02:49:47 PM PST

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    •  I think there's some merit to that idea actually. (15+ / 0-)

      It would remove the parochialism and influence that local investigations seem to have, and allow for actual "justice" to be done.  

      Especially when there's been loss of life in tragic circumstances like this, and that wall will go up no matter the merits of the case against the three deputies.  

      A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

      by jo fish on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 02:58:53 PM PST

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    •  It might help a bit. (10+ / 0-)

      But they will all stick together come what may for the vast majority of cases.

      Still, the absolutely most egregious ones might have a better chance of being prosecuted.

      •  We need to problem solve a solution. (6+ / 0-)

        So citizen review.

        Outside investigations. ...?

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 04:09:02 PM PST

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        •  Civilian Review Boards have been more and (8+ / 0-)

          more neutered over time.  Used to be a good idea.  Now it's all but useless.  Would only work if they were given some kind of legal power, or at least some significant authority.

          "Throwing a knuckleball for a strike is like throwing a butterfly with hiccups across the street into your neighbor's mailbox." -- Willie Stargell

          by Yasuragi on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:15:11 PM PST

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        •  From the NYC CCRB: (5+ / 0-)
          About the Board Members

          Appointment
          The Civilian Complaint Review Board has thirteen members. Five members are designated, or nominated, by the New York City Council (one from each borough), three are designated by the Police Commissioner, and five are designated by the Mayor. However, the Mayor must appoint all members, even those designated by the City Council or the Police Commissioner. No member of the Board may have served previously in law enforcement (other than those designated by the Police Commissioner) and none may hold other public office or employment. Board members serve three-year terms, and receive compensation on a per-diem basis.

          Responsibilities
          The Board hires the Executive Director, holds monthly public meetings, oversees agency operations through numerous committees, and sets policy. The Board reviews all CCRB investigations and makes findings on every allegation raised by every complaint.

          Emphasis mine.  The link is here -- go to the links on the right under CCRB for details of the set-up.

          Seems highly weighted in favor of the cops -- and in the case of NYC, Bloomberg, King of Stop and Frisk.  I wouldn't count on much from them.

          "Throwing a knuckleball for a strike is like throwing a butterfly with hiccups across the street into your neighbor's mailbox." -- Willie Stargell

          by Yasuragi on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:20:36 PM PST

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    •  Under this administration, at least, (4+ / 0-)

      I think it would be an excellent step.

      Had it happened under Baby Doc Bush...?  Not so much.

      "Throwing a knuckleball for a strike is like throwing a butterfly with hiccups across the street into your neighbor's mailbox." -- Willie Stargell

      by Yasuragi on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:13:40 PM PST

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    •  I think that's a bad idea (0+ / 0-)

      as the DoJ itself part of the systemic use of, killing, violence, terror and torture to any perceived threats to authority. They have normalized the immoral, brutal and violent extra-legal training and use of our military and our police.  I find it ironic and tragic that this happened in a movie theater where Zero Dark Thirty was being shown.

      Fear and violence permeate our society to the point where unarmed citizens who do not or cannot comply with 'law enforcement' are treated with lethal force. Humans are now potential threats that are dealt with by physical violence top down. As the cop who ran amuk last week said in his unhinged manifesto you trained me.

      Holder and Co. are the last people who should investigate the police that the feds arm, train and unleash on any human globally who threatens the power of authority. Look at what we do in the name of law and order, justice and keeping us safe. Fear, violence and intimidation has become our only law. Inhumanity and brutality cannot be investigated by the very entities that have taken basic human and civil rights off the table. Welcome to the Dark Side.      

      But what's confusing you
      Is just the nature of my game
      Just as every cop is a criminal
      And all the sinners saints
      As heads is tails
      Just call me lucifer
      Cause I'm in need of some restraint
      So if you meet me
      Have some courtesy
      Have some sympathy, and some taste
      Use all your well-learned politesse
      Or I'll lay your soul to waste
      Pleased to meet you
      Hope you guessed my name

             

      •  I know (0+ / 0-)

        My preference would be to utterly retask DHS to rooting out bad cops and making the streets safe again.

        In a perfect world...

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:18:45 AM PST

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        •  in a sane world (1+ / 0-)
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          that while not perfect respects human life or any life for that matter.. Speaking of which check out Greenwald's column today. This may seem off topic but I read it first thing this morning and it came to mind when I read both your dairy and the dairy about  police beating to death a homeless person dairy. I guess these people were 'imminent' dangers.

          People seem to think that our out of control police state and it's militarized violence against others in the name of protection or law and order is separate from the GWOT.  Our government and our societies disrespect for both the real laws/rights of humanity and human life is systemic. We are going to find that we have lost the only protections we the  people really have. Our human and civil right and the universal laws that keep the real monsters reined in and checked, both here in 'der Homeland and globally.      

          When supposedly liberal Democratic ' leaders' start defending killing 'pre-crime' American citizens it's time to take a good look at the systemic violence we as a society have supported under the guise of protection. Peace in any form is scoffed at as it's a dangerous world so we need to kill kill kill.
          'What's so funny about peace love and understanding'

          Pop quiz on US politics: guess the speaker
          A prominent US politicians makes some familiar statements about secrecy, the War on Terror, and Muslim enemies: who is it?
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

          ??? speaking of the secret kill list and drones

          “It’s interesting how popular it is in the public,” she said, recalling that the same polling dynamic prevailed during the fight over warrantless wiretaps. “People just want to be protected. And I saw that when we were fighting them on surveillance, the domestic surveillance. People just want to be protected: ‘You go out there and do it. I’ll criticize you, but I want to be protected.’”…
           

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