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  •  In FOW's diary yesterday, he posted an arctic (13+ / 0-)

    monthly sea ice volume graph for the last 34 years.  I noted that that graph shows that the Winter volume of arctic sea ice in the next year or two will be equal to or less than that of the Summer of 1979 (though I mistakenly conflated volume with "extent" in my comment).  

    When you look at that spiral graph in his diary, you can see where we get the term "graphic."

    I wonder how many more "Gee I thought our prediction was a bit alarmist but then we discovered that we were being too conservative by a huge factor" statements from climate scientists will be logged before the public at large begins to realize that we are deeply into a planetary catastrophe that threatens civilization itself?

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:37:54 AM PST

    •  Perhaps the most relevant question. (5+ / 0-)

      Or for that matter, what hasn't been discovered yet.

      Ancient carbon trapped in Arctic permafrost is extremely sensitive to sunlight and, if exposed to the surface when long-frozen soils melt and collapse, can release climate-warming carbon dioxide gas into the atmosphere much faster than previously thought.

      Physics is bulls**t. Don't let them fool you. Fire IS magic.

      by Pescadero Bill on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:50:59 AM PST

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      •  Interesting that methane isn't mentioned in that (1+ / 0-)
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        quote.  It's a much larger climate bomb waiting inside the permafrost, from all I've read. Maybe I'm missing something.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:15:57 AM PST

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        •  Carbon dioxide has a far longer atmospheric life (3+ / 0-)
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          That specific article pointed to the revelation that the permafrost holds a catastrophic amount of carbon dioxide, in addition to the methane.


          Tremendous stores of organic carbon have been frozen in Arctic permafrost soils for thousands of years. If thawed and released as carbon dioxide gas, this vast carbon repository has the potential to double the amount of the heat-trapping greenhouse gas in the atmosphere on a timescale similar to humanity's inputs of carbon dioxide due to the burning of fossil fuels.

          "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

          by rovertheoctopus on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:56:29 AM PST

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