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  •  right now (9+ / 0-)

    the only two updated lists from scholars have him at 14 and 15. people may forget that we've had plenty of really bad presidents. of course, most lists have reagan and truman in the top 10, and john adams makes a lot of top 20s despite that little seditions act thing, so i'm not sure how much value those lists have...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 11:27:46 AM PST

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    •  how do you top indefinite detentions, Kill lists? (5+ / 0-)

      A President claiming the right to kill anyone anywhere for reasons known only to him and a small group of people, prosecuting whistle blowers, sending to prison someone that revealed torture was being used while protecting torturers ?
      How about expanding wars into 6 Muslim countries, plus sending forces into 35 Countries in Africa while supporting regimes like the Saudis and the Bahrain rulers that attack their citizens with military equipment WE sell to them?
      Drone attacks targeting weddings, funerals and on First Responders (like the Red Cross) ?

      What about Hedges v Obama and what that truly represents?

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 02:51:35 PM PST

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      •  AliasAlias, Laurence Loyuis states that scholars - (5+ / 0-)
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        Have given this President high marks. You know, people who have a university or Think Tank paying them decent salaries, with decent benefits.. And of course, in exchange for giving whichever party is now in charge a nice rating, those premium lifestyle necessities will continue.

        I think the average person has given up,. After all, twelve million people who voted in 2008 didn't bother to get to the polls in 2012.

        Offer your heart some Joy every day of your life, and spread it along to others.

        by Truedelphi on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:08:02 PM PST

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      •  how do you top (4+ / 0-)

        slavery, or genocide of the american indians, or dropping a nuclear bomb, or overthrowing or assassinating democratically elected foreign leaders, or starting and fighting wars based on lies, or supporting terrorists and trading arms for hostages...

        i could go on and on. historical perspective helps.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 06:33:30 PM PST

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      •  i agree aa (1+ / 0-)
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        those war crimes are worse then the ones Bush commited.
        Not to mention letting war criminals who write books and admit on TV that yes  they commited war crimes.
        Thanks for your comment.

        Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

        by snoopydawg on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 10:05:34 PM PST

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