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  •  NOBODY should accept working overtime hours (33+ / 0-)

    without getting duly compensated.  Too many employers utilize the "professional exemption" in the Fair Labor Standards Act to avoid paying OT hours to those who deserve it.

    •  well it sounds like she was afraid to say (21+ / 0-)

      anything and that probably was a secondary reason why she decided to sue.
      Seriously - $12/hr - professional?????

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:33:11 PM PST

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    •  You ought to see how the company I used ... (23+ / 0-)

      ... to work for abused "exempt" employees.  When I was "resource actioned", it was to the point that we had to work overtime to cover our vacation days.  We had to achieve a certain number of "billable hours" regardless of our tenure.  So if you earned a month of vacation time, in addition to the corporate holidays, you HAD to work uncompensated OT in order to meet the objectives management set for you.  It was a joke, if you were "exempt" your work week was 46-50 hours.  If you ever got sick, you had to make up the time.  If you chose to not take vacation days, you were not compensated.  Interestingly, you could be "dinged" in your review for NOT taking all of your vacation days (failure to properly balance your work life and home life).  No exceptions, unless you were a manager.

      People who still work there say the bar has been raised higher each year since I left.

      I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

      by Hey338Too on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 12:52:04 PM PST

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      •  Name of company? (6+ / 0-)
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        Hey338Too, jayden, Smoh, eXtina, glorificus, elwior

        It might help some folks avoid a trap.

      •  As soon as I read this comment (2+ / 0-)
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        I knew where you worked.  But I'm surprised at this -  

        People who still work there
        People still work there?  

        Someone isn't making their plan numbers.

        •  They do have quite the reputation... (2+ / 0-)
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          I was on an employee message board last night, it is very sad to read what's going on there.  It's hard to believe that the company was always at or near the top of "best places to work" lists.

          I did find an interesting link in one of the posts.  It describes a new way that management is  monitoring their employees.  Nothing helps employee morale better than knowing that your emails and social media comments are being archived and data-mined by your employer.

          I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

          by Hey338Too on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 07:59:41 AM PST

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          •  Can't believe people aren't afraid to post on (2+ / 0-)
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            that message board. Also surprised there is a union.

            "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

            by eXtina on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:05:17 AM PST

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            •  They are terrified to post there... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... as you can see, most of the posts are "last resort" kinds of posts.  "I am about to be canned, what should I do?"

              IIRC the site is blocked on employee's work computers by the company's firewall and any attempt to reach the site on company computers is logged and reported.  99% of the comments there are from home computers (the rest are from managers whose computers are allowed to post to the website for trolling purposes).  There is no doubt that the company monitors that site and a couple of other boards run by employees.  It is rare that you will ever see a real name (for obvious reasons) in any post - unless the ex-employee wants to stick it to the company.

              The union has tried to make its presence felt since the company started "changing" in the early 2000's.  Currently the company doesn't recognize the union, and supposedly targets any employee who tries to represent the union within the company.

              Your friend may find it interesting to read the board (not from a company computer), as the information is usually pretty accurate as to when the next layoffs will begin.  Once the layoffs start, the board will document how many people have been affected and which divisions and work sites they come from.  During review "season", your friend can see how other people are being rated (which is usually an indication as to how bad the next round of layoffs is going to be).

              Here's an idea as to how "effective" the company's policies are working in the US:

              The shrinking US employee population courtesy - XXX's annual reports
              and other sources:
              (Also take into account that XXX was buying companies/employees at the same time.)
              XXX stopped reporting US headcount in 2010
              *Alliance Estimate
              2012: *92,000
              2011: *98,000
              2009: 105,000
              2008: 115,000
              2007: 121,000
              2006: 127,000
              2005: 133,789

              Where XXX hired in 2009:
              Asia/Pacific: 13,376
              CEEMEA: 3,988
              Europe: 2,923
              India: 18,873
              Japan: 868
              Latin America: 7,112
              USA: 3,514
              Canada: 820

              I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

              by Hey338Too on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:40:02 AM PST

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          •  I've read about that (2+ / 0-)
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            probably in the same place you did.  Given the rampant ineptitude and bare bones staffing, my bet is that it will never work properly or be useful in any way.  They don't need another metric to determine who to get rid of, anyway.  There's a giant number cruncher that identifies who gets the axe, and it's based solely on cost.

            •  Very true... (2+ / 0-)
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              eXtina, Clues

              ... it's all about cost, stock price, dividends, and management incentive plans.  

              The company is pretty good at heuristics, so that program will probably identify more people in the upper echelons of the company than the lower echelons.  After all, who more than the top brass says one thing to employees and another thing to people outside of the company (which should cause that program to flag the brass)?  It will probably lead to a pretty amusing decommissioning of the program because it works too well.

              I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

              by Hey338Too on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44:08 AM PST

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    •  A business owner I once worked for tried to (27+ / 0-)

      get away with the professional exemption clause but the employees he was trying to fuck nailed his ass to the wall via the Depts of Labor, both fed and state.

      As the owner's new assistant and since I wasn't employed there at the time of the violations, I was responsible for providing all the previous payroll info to the feds.

      My employer got hit hard. He deserved it. He was an asshole and ended up dying less than a year later.

      Karma's a bitch.

    •  I used to work for $11/hr (4+ / 0-)

      and works all kinds of crazy overtime I was never compensated for.  I never earned vacation, or sick time, or anything.  I never got breaks, NEVER, and if I had time to have a lunch break it happened once a week at most.  A lot of days I would arrive at 7am and work until 8pm, no breaks, no lunch, nothing.  And the whole time my employer treated me like garbage, said things to me that were entirely unappropriate, told me I was terrible at my job, etc.  I also had a company iPhone and was on call 24/7/365.  I was the only employee on call besides the boss/owner himself.  And he had all of the company's phone calls forward to me, at all times.  So even when I was on site for another customer doing a job, I still had to answer company phone calls.  It was hell, and I hated it--there was never a time to relax.  I missed a customer phone call once when I was in the grocery store because groceries are very loud and I just didn't hear it.  My boss called and chewed me out with a lot of inappropriate language and called me lazy, said if I didn't feel like answering calls I should forward the phone to him.  It wasn't a matter of being lazy, I just can't sit at home all day waiting for calls.  I was also similarly yelled at for missing calls while in the shower, while driving (oh and he would text me while I'm driving and if I didn't response within five minutes he would call and scream at me for ignoring him), while sleeping at 2am on a Saturday, because who does that?!

      I was there for a year when I got a job offer from the state government for 2x the pay and full benefits.  And normal hours.  I have a Blackberry for on-call shifts that I rotate with another guy but we hardly have anything to do.  Our agency's business is centered around the financial markets so business is M-F.  And my old boss went on and on about how overpaid I was going to be because I didn't have any skills, and what little I did have he taught me.  Which was crap because he never taught me anything, just threw me in the lake and said "swim."  And by the time I left I was one of the best employees he's ever had.  Huh, funny he said that after all of the abuse.  Oh and I never got my final paycheck from him.  Jerk.  I worked for this loser from Oct 2011 to Sep 2012 (a few days short of a year).

      "I don't want a unicorn. I want a fucking pegasus. And I want it to carry a flaming sword." -mahakali overdrive

      by Silvia Nightshade on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 05:14:41 AM PST

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      •  What a horrible, abusive experience (1+ / 0-)
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        So glad you found something better, but the next person would still have to deal with that pig. Why do the worst horrible people always get promoted to management.

        "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

        by eXtina on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:06:06 AM PST

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        •  To be fair, (1+ / 0-)
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          he owns the company so he promoted himself, I suppose.  He pays himself a huge salary and abuses company loopholes in the law (bought a "company car" that he uses as his personal car 24/7/365).  He couldn't keep employees at that company, I was just a stubborn ass who wouldn't quit until I found something better.  Oh and he had me sign a contract saying I could be fired if I discussed my compensation with other employees, which is illegal (and unenforceable, poor him).  He said it was to protect us employees from unions.

          Right.  Because unions are out to screw the little guy.  Suuuuure.

          "I don't want a unicorn. I want a fucking pegasus. And I want it to carry a flaming sword." -mahakali overdrive

          by Silvia Nightshade on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:21:07 PM PST

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    •  Unfair Competition (4+ / 0-)

      Every overtime hour is an unemployment hour for someone else.

      The main reason overtime is supposed to cost more (say, time and a half) is not to make it up to the worker. It's to encourage the employer to pay another worker to do it during regular time, because it's cheaper. And employs more workers.

      Of course, most employers are bad at labor management and economics. They rely on labor abuse to keep their businesses going, and overwork that hurts them too is a core part of it.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 05:57:26 AM PST

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