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  •  Single payer? (13+ / 0-)

    I've been mulling a diary on the opposition to single payer among the business community - just asking why???

    I think single payer is our next fight in this area. Granted, it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but it needs to be argued.

    Onward ho!

    The only thing harder than speaking truth to power is speaking truth to stupid.

    by themis on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:43:09 PM PST

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    •  In just my opinion, depends on what single payor (4+ / 0-)
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      means.

      Does it mean an English-style NHS? My vote would be against that for a variety of reasons, including geographic concerns. Something in the neighborhood of what Australia/Germany/France does I think would work best.

      Vermont is working on something pretty interesting right now.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:47:26 PM PST

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    •  Business 'benefits' from the current scheme... (6+ / 0-)

      at least in their short-sighted, narrow-minded view.

      For business, it's all about pushing costs off the books right now and onto someone else - in this case, the employee.

      When I got out of the Army in 1979 and went to work for a defense contractor, the company gave me a card to present to the doctor or hospital, and my care was paid for 100%. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pay, nothing.

      That lasted for less than 10 years, and since then the costs have been steadily pushed in my direction, even though I (and later, my wife) always worked as professionals at defense contractors.

      So when (not if!) single-payer arrives, companies won't be able to push health costs off anymore. Because a large chunk of total health costs is still paid by companies (even though they are pushing off more and more all the time), any single-payer scheme is going to have to capture that money and funnel it to the government, and it's not going to allow any company to get out of it - my guess is it would have to be a set amount per employee, with perhaps some adjustment due to wage level.

      Companies like not being responsible for stuff, so they don't want to see anything change.

      Cheers.

      Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. Friedrich Schiller

      by databob on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 01:55:27 PM PST

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    •  Regarding "in your lifetime" - did you think we'd (0+ / 0-)

      elect a bi-racial president before it happened?

      Brighter days ahead!!!!!!

      *There are two sides to every horseshit.* Kos

      by glorificus on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 04:48:31 PM PST

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