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  •  Bullsh!t (1+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan

    I work with farmers all over the country, I've spent quite a bit of time on farms in the midwest and down south, some of my family are out there. I am very aware of rural life.
    Not one of my farm and ranch friends would take an AR15 hunting, if you proposed that they do, they'd tell you that you are some kinda city idiot. And they don't go around strapped either.
    Guns that I've seen out there (with one exception, and those people were transplants from the East Coast and England, playing stupid cowboy games in Montana), have been shotguns and long rifles for hunting and protecting their animals from predators, functional ones have been locked up and the old rifle over the fireplace is disabled.
    These people would not be effected at all by gun registration and background checks. Nor would a ban on slaughter weapons bother them, since they have no use for them. They wouldn't even be effected by a handgun ban.
    Where I run into the bad gun owners is in the suburbs.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 05:04:19 AM PST

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    •  And now I know you're from the city (0+ / 0-)

      Everybody I know that lives here in ranching country, except those with small children, have a LOADED gun where they can get to it quickly.  When a cougar is dragging one of our goats over a fence we don't take the time to unlock the gun safe, load it, find our flashlights and run for the barn.  And it has nothing to do with protecting us from two-legged predators--out here we are pretty much safe from that.  And, a lot of people have semi-automatics, but there aren't many AR15s.  Quite a few mini-14s though, which are a version of the M14 military rifle only in .223 instead of .308.  In fact, that gun is sold as the "ranch rifle", and it was named that for a reason.

      All that said, you say "midwest".  Is that Ohio, Illinois???  I can tell you things are very different in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming---in the actual west, where we have mountain lions and bears.  When was the last time one of your friends had a sheep killed by a coyote?

      Now, do you understand why folks out here in the west do not think the way you do?  Without living here, I doubt that you will ever understand that people think differently, and more importantly, why they do.  I'll try one more time:

      Out here, citizens do not have the problems with guns that you have in the cities.  They see gun violence as a city problem and they want you to deal with it in your cities and leave them alone because things have been working fine out here for decades.  They resent city residents trying to "run their lives" and telling them how they should do things when they don't see any problem where they live.

      •  I just found a deer carcass in the woods (1+ / 0-)
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        here in rural CT, killed by coyotes or a mountain lion. They've never taken any of our domesticated livestock.
        And I am fine with leaving ranchers to live as they are, the problem is that loose laws in one state undermine tight laws in another. I have no problem with people that have legitimate use for firearms and are not criminals or unbalanced, being able to legally procure the arms they need.
        What I do have problems with is the idea that in order to preserve their serenity, there can be no meaningful gun control.
        And since the vast majority of people in this country are not ranchers and farmers, and since the vast majority of guns are not owned by ranchers and farmers, (or "urban" people, by which I assume you mean African Americans) rather they are owned by suburbanites, the laws have to be written primarily to address where the real bulk of the weapons are. A workaround for legitimate owners, fine, negating all control for that one small constituency, no.
        Almost 2000 killed since 12/14.
        Because it's just too easy to get a gun.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 09:07:28 AM PST

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        •  You assumed really wrong (0+ / 0-)

          "or "urban" people, by which I assume you mean African Americans"

          Race never even entered my mind in this discussion, but it obviously did in yours.  Now, like a Dali painting, that I've seen it I will always see it.

          I'm done with this discussion, and I am done with you.

          •  Can't handle it, eh? (0+ / 0-)

            You make assumptions about me and my experience and get insulting about it, then when it turns out you were dead wrong, you can't deal. Go ahead, run away now. This is getting boring anyway.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Sat Feb 23, 2013 at 12:17:12 PM PST

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