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  •  You will notice that the school employee (3+ / 0-)
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    GoGoGoEverton, ban nock, boji

    was injured during an accident resulting from clearing a misfire, and was injured by a ricochet.

    Very different from "stupid enough to shoot themselves with a gun" -- and since the rest of your comment is just a blanket insult of people with whom you disagree, it can stand as a reflection of you.

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:44:49 AM PST

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    •  I have been (4+ / 0-)

      a shooter since before age ten - I was taught by my father - we fished and hunted together having grown up in a rural area with lots of acreage.  Had plenty of miss-fires over the years - if you know your surrounding and where you're shooting - you don't get shot.

      This deosn't appear to be that "one in a million" accident.

      I'll stand by my original comment.

      Personally, I question how these type diries get on the Rec List.

      IMHO, all teachers should carry and be trained for mace / pepper spray - not firearms.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:54:59 AM PST

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      •  Until a teacher uses whatever non-lethal (5+ / 0-)

        device they have on them on a kid they think is being too unruly.

        Sorry since that comment is mostly OT, but preferentially I would have teachers taking no part in security with the exception of possibly breaking up fights.

        I see what you did there.

        by GoGoGoEverton on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:05:37 AM PST

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      •  You don't think it should be the standard (7+ / 0-)

        burden on our citizenry and teachers to kill people on command of the Gun lobby?

        What a beautiful society. Institutionalized vigilantism. We are all Charles Bronson in a dystopian nightmare.  Because Constitution.

        •  I think of it like this (2+ / 0-)
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          It's my right to protect myself - in the United States, we have many options including firearms.

          I don't think anyone should be required to carry wepons other than police and military.

          Arming teachers isn't the answer - however, in our United States - we protect our elected officials with security and in many cases armed security (ie Secret Service).  Many retail stores, Malls are required to have armed police presence.

          Schools are a "soft" target.  They are "gun free" zones - as they should be however, criminals, especially psychotic criminals view this as an easy target where lots of unarmed people are.  Adam Lanza picked his target carefully.

          I don't have a problem with pepper sprays  / mace for teachers - it is highly effective and if it was present, while it would not have stopped Adam Lanza - I'd be willing to bet, it would have reduced the number of people who were killed - now, it may be as simple as if the killer knows this, they just get a mask - maybe so - an argument could be made to have police at schools but arming teachers?  I'm not for that.

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by ctexrep on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 12:00:28 PM PST

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    •  Wow, that makes it all better (3+ / 0-)

      so you're saying, it's not just stupid people with guns who kill people, it's well-trained, competent people who still can't manage to control these things.

      Thanks for clearing that all up!

      •  whOOOOOOoooooooo, what a smart riposte! (1+ / 0-)
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        andalusi

        That it has nothing to do with reality doesn't matter, right?

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 01:58:02 PM PST

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