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  •  Yeah, right... (12+ / 0-)

    There is no such thing as a child who never does something they are not supposed to do. The ostrich bite scar on my finger is an example:

    Mom: Don't put your fingers in there, the ostriches bite.

    Me: Stick finger in ostrich cage.

    Ostrich: CHOMP!

    Me: Waaaah!

    Mom: I told you not to put your finger in there!

    This type of scenario plays out every single day, in every single household with children.

    Children under the age of 9 are not capable of the kind of reasoning that would make "don't touch" anything other than a feel-good exercise on the part of adults. They still do not fully grasp the difference between reality and pretend.

    And children over the age of 9 are not exactly known for accepting the concept that they should do what they're told.

    "Gun safety" and "children" are mutually exclusive concepts. "Gun safety training for children" is an oxymoron.

    •  That is the first time I've ever seen (4+ / 0-)

      gun safety and ostriches in the same comment.

      Well done.

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      by coquiero on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:15:19 AM PST

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    •  Are you saying modern children are too stupid (0+ / 0-)

      to learn anything?

      We have successfully taught generations of children to "stop, drop, and roll", to not put their hands in open flames, to look before crossing the street, and other simple safety lessons.

      Teaching them the same gun safety lessons we were taught in school when we were children (assuming you're as old as I am) should be equally easy.

      Unless you believe children are too stupid to learn and teachers too stupid to teach?

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      by Noddy on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 12:08:48 PM PST

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      •  Nope. Saying they are children (0+ / 0-)

        Just the ordinary kind. There isn't really a difference between the old kind and the modern kind.

        We were not taught gun safety in school. And once again, children are inherently likely to disobey rules. It's not a matter of intelligence stupidity, it's a matter of human nature combined with immature minds.

        Children and weapons do not mix.

        Heck, even the boy scouts don't start to teach jackknife use until children are 9 - because it would be completely stupid and irresponsible to put knives in younger kids' hands.

        •  So what you're saying is because a FEW (0+ / 0-)

          children might be disobedient, no child should be taught?

          A 9 year old is still, as far as I know, in elementary school.

          If you feel a 9 year old is competent to learn knife safety, why not also gun safety?

          Oh, right, no child should be taught safety because they won't listen.

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          by Noddy on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:28:26 AM PST

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          •  I'm saying training is not a solution (0+ / 0-)

            1) Putting guns in children's hands to train them to use them "safely" guarantees that children will be shot.

            2) The idea is trotted out as the solution to children doing stupid things with guns. It is not, because children are disobedient.

            3) I do not agree with the Boy Scouts, but even they aren't stupid enough to put a weapon in the hands of a child under the age of 9.

            It doesn't hurt to tell a child "no," but doing so is not the solution to preventing children from shooting guns "irresponsibly," because children are incapable of consistent responsible behavior.

            Keeping children safe from guns requires keeping children out of places with guns. The most effective way to do that is to not have any guns in your own home, and to ask the adults if there are any guns at friends' houses, and not allow your children to go places where the answer is "yes."

      •  And BTW (0+ / 0-)

        I know a 3 year old who just completed his 15th operation at Shriners for 3rd degree burns on his hands. Every month or so, they have to peel all the skin off the tendons and stretch it, so the bones have room to grow. So, um, no training does not = prevention.

        All it takes is 2 seconds, a kid in a disobedient mood, and access. Training is a great way to get parents to feel a false sense of security. It's not a way to protect children.

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