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  •  You've misused that site's chart (4+ / 0-)
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    Flying Goat, andalusi, JesseCW, MGross

    Switch out the countries and a completely different picture emerges. Common sense should tell you that there are a) more countries than the ones on your graph, and b) that many of those not on the list are likely--owing to recent instability, ethnic conflict or war--to have higher violence rates than Switzerland.

    The claim seems to be wildly inaccurate, and should be edited to reflect that fact.

    "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

    by JR on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:34:05 PM PST

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    •  we should compare the US to countries at war...? (1+ / 0-)
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      ... and countries involved in other types of instability to get a fair comparison for the amount of gun violence in the US...?

      Cheers.

      •  Didn't say that. (1+ / 0-)
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        I said the claim the diarist made was inaccurate. (And having had a recent war is not the same as being "at war" in any case, so your counterpoint falls flat as well. I don't think we get to exclude post-war countries from the list of "countries of the world," do you?)

        Look, I completely agree that the comparisons are largely irrelevant, and that our levels of gun violence are unacceptable. I'll be standing in the cold in front of the state house in Annapolis in about eight hours (I really should get to bed, "Love Actually" be damned) to make that point to my legislators, and even a cursory glance at my comment history should be enough to establish my views on the subject. But I don't allow sympathy with a position to trump the need for accurate arguments, and the argument the diarist made--the specific, verifiable statement being claimed as truth--is just wrong. There is no metric by which you can accurately claim that "Switzerland's gun violence rate is fourth highest in the world" and even the citations he provided undermine his claim. Why waste the time to defend that?

        "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

        by JR on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:54:39 PM PST

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        •  I'm responding to your comment, not... (0+ / 0-)

          ...to the diary in general.

          My question seems a completely valid question considering your comment, and it could probably be slightly rephrased and accurately characterized as an accurate observation.

          Congrats on the action tomorrow, tho' I don't see my question as discussing anything other than a comparison of US gun violence and that in other countries with high rates of gun violence.

          Cheers.

      •  We have lots of wars going on in the US (0+ / 0-)

        Afghanistan for sure but then there's the war on drugs, the war on Christmas, the war on obnoxious rightwing blowhards, the war on freedoms etc.

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:33:43 AM PST

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