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  •  Just hold firm, stick to the 250 limit (5+ / 0-)

    Let all the tax cuts expire if the Repubs don't go along.

    I agree with WaryLiberal; that was the time we had the most leverage, and Obama settled for far too little.  He could have gotten the 250 limit if he had just held firm, and he caved.  I wrote about this a lot also.

    So Obama hold all the cards and should have called the Repub bluff.   The limit would have been 250 rather than 450, and lots more revenue would have been obtain from people who can afford it.

    If Repubs don't agree, so be it.  Let all the tax cuts expire.  We were doing just fine in 2000 before Bush took office.

    •  Cliff then, cliff now - sick and tired of it all. (1+ / 0-)
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      If the Dems had stood up to threats of this and that the first time when the "fear" factor was the biggest of the big, the GOPs probably would have caved.   Now, it's like a serial killer's 10th  murder.   The horror is gone, and they're getting into it.

      Sometimes Obama is just too clever for his own good.  

      What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

      by dkmich on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:16:11 AM PST

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    •  Not a winning argument. I'll explain why . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      If we let all of the tax cuts expire, we would hand the Republicans exactly what they want.  It's the final stage of a long running massive wealth redistribution from the lower 80% to a comparatively tiny number of privileged few at the top.  

      If we let all of the tax cuts expire, we'd be allowing the Republicans to have the full culmination of their game.

      Here's a very brief description how it works:  every earner with more than a million in income per year gets a million dollar bonus.  The total cost of these generous gifts is
      $1 trillion. There's no way to fund that amount so it goes into a bucket we call "Public Debt."  Whenever any portion of that $1 trillion in "Public Debt" is paid off, who should pay it?  Should the recipients of the $1 million gifts pay it off.  Or should the $1 trillion cost be socialized across the general population, so that everyone contributes something to pay for the gifts that were given to a few?  

      What if this scheme could be institutionalized and made permanent so that a tiny number of privileged few at the top are continually given such extravagant gifts while we hit up the rest of the population to pay for it?  

      Is that really what you want?

      There is no existence without doubt.

      by Mark Lippman on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 10:22:44 AM PST

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      •  I don't understand what you're saying (0+ / 0-)

        How do million dollar earners get a million dollar bonus if the Bush tax cuts expired?  They'd be paying a higher rate on all of their income; now, they're just paying a higher rate on income over $450k.

        Besides, the Repubs would never have agreed to let all the cuts expire.  They would have caved and agreed to the $250k limit.  Otherwise everyone would have blamed them for taxes going up.

    •  that time it was about emergency unemployment (0+ / 0-)

      benefits due to expire.  the damage would have been catestrophic then!

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 12:02:19 PM PST

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