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  •  This fear must be pushed away. (7+ / 0-)

    It is the true enemy of the American people.

    There are intelligent and sane processes that all nations follow. Members of the world's high courts act as mentors. The process is open and takes several years. It is non-political. The guiding principle is equal and fair justice for the people. There are clear outlines.

    All other issues fall away.



    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 06:17:21 PM PST

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    •  The process you're describing though (6+ / 0-)

      is not what most people in the US think of as the process of a constitutional convention. Allowing the involvement of international high courts would be anathema to many Americans.

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 06:37:39 PM PST

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      •  Certainly, though, they can read the document (1+ / 0-)
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        and make a judgement.  At the end of this process there must be a vote to enact the new constitution for it to be legitimate, right? If the discussion begins with a perfectly reasonable, fair document that was open to public debate and everyone could understand, I think people would be on board.  If the ensuing debate created a frankenstein, twenty-five hundred page shit-show,  people (myself included) would probably reject it.  There are some people who believe Jesus was involved in the writing of the existing constitution.  I'm sure they'll never be convinced,  so it might turn into a heavy lift.  

        "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

        by TheFern on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 08:13:20 PM PST

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    •  What I would really like to see is a gloves off, (4+ / 0-)

      no holds barred "street fight" so that we can get rid, once and for all, of 200 years of corrosion and finally move on to the path to a clear, bright future.

      On a per issue basis the people of our country have clarity, and it's only the power of historical confusion that allows for fear that, somehow, we might be dragged backwards.

      Air it out, fight it out, count the votes of all of us, and then let's get busy making another dramatic step forward.

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 07:10:26 PM PST

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    •  I want to believe it can be done here (2+ / 0-)
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      AaronInSanDiego, yella dawg

      But I just don't see it happening. Not as long as we have the Scalia's of the world.

      I'm generally not afraid of change- I usually embrace it. But given our current political make up, I do fear changing the document.

      I mean, Ayn fucking Rand is making a comeback thanks to our representatives in the House. Yes, that scares the shit out of me.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 10:38:04 PM PST

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