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  •  "We live as we dream, alone" - Conrad (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh, NancyWH

    Sex and gender are separate, I should think, and that early feminist point of view was interesting, but to remove fixity in body is not the same as removing masculine and feminine. In essence, the problem with "man" is not a Y-chromosome (although if you have two of them, they say you should be worried), but the construction called "man" that a Y- or double X-chromosome individual inhabits -- a set of attitudes and mental attributes.

    Similarly, the problem is not "woman" (and there are problems with woman) but in the construction of social forces and attitudes and habits of mind set forth. If either of these is biologically determined in part, it is not in whole, and removing the copulatory or physical element would not remove the "butch" and "feminine" and "macho" roles that were oppressing (and are still oppressing) humans in the west.

    Oh, and anyone who puts "citation needed" up needs to have a lit match dropped in his or her drawers.

    Everyone is innocent of some crime.

    by The Geogre on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 06:10:03 PM PST

    •  I probably (1+ / 0-)
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      should have titled it "Gender and Science Fiction."  Live and learn.

      "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

      by NancyWH on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 07:52:15 AM PST

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      •  No disrespect meant (1+ / 0-)
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        I was hoping to start a dialog, not meaning to be as pedantic as I no doubt was.

        LeGuin was writing of her time. Early on, American feminists missed out on some of the Marxist ... jaundice? skepticism? rigor? ... that British feminists had gotten and might have been too quick to blend body and society. The Left Hand of Darkness is superbly wise because it posits a world where the role/sex determination is simply removed. What would it do?

        I think the Marxists were too rigid in saying that everything is history, and now we're caught trying to deny genetic propensities. Humans are messy. Only theories are ever neat, and Ursula K. LeGuinn is great for being open to ambiguity. I enjoyed the diary and meant to add, not detract.

        Everyone is innocent of some crime.

        by The Geogre on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 10:21:44 AM PST

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          you posted, I thought that.  Yours was just the comment that pushed me into saying that.

          "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

          by NancyWH on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 12:24:29 PM PST

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