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  •  As a retired headhunter [OK - for lawyers] (16+ / 0-)

    let me give you my take:

    The job was not for your battle buddy. Most Serbs - and I lived with one for 15 years and most of our clients in a different job were Serbs - Most Serbs have a temper. Your buddy would not make it through the probation period.

    You buddy needs to be looking for a plant manager position. That's the civilian equilivant. The product produced by that plant should be parts, machines, or industrial products. Ideally, the management should have military backgrounds.

    If posssible, the plant should run 24 hours a day, or at least 18 hours per day. A lot of plant managers don't like those hours, but your buddy could make his VA appointments and then go to work and still put in 8 to 10 hours a day.

    Another tip or two:
    They are looking for a manager, and his first task is to manage the interview. Ask them to lay out all of the duties and responsibilities. Take notes. Then he should tell them he assumes they have painted the rosiest picture possible.

    So, ask them what are the worst-case duties and responsibilities. Then, ask them to make clear for you the hours you will be working. Do those hours include nights and weekends? If so, ask if you need to come in later. That's when you can say, "Good, I can do my VA doctors appointments on those days." [It's not always going to work out that way, but that's your intention.] Assure them that if you are really needed at the plant, you will be there.

    When they ask you what your salary requirements are, ask them if they are offering you the job. Tell them that knowing a lot more about the job will equip you to answer that question accurately.

    Throughout the interview, ask questions. For instance:
    What are the biggest problems you need solved?
    What is the management turnover rate?
    To whom would you report?
    Who would report to you?
    Who at the plant reports to people other than you?
    Would those other managers deal with you directly?
    Who are the best people assests you have at the plant and What do they do?
    What happened to cause a vacancy in this position?

    I'm a little rusty at this, but I'll send you a Kos-Mail if I come up with more stuff.

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

    by llbear on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 04:47:59 PM PST

    •  I agree with the above llbear suggested and also (4+ / 0-)
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      llbear, glorificus, HM2Viking, chimene

      I hope your friend is not just working with civilian Human Resources.   The state unemployment or employment office has a Veteran human resource person to assist
      veterans and only veterans.   A veteran is supposed to be considered in the arena of federal be considered FIRST.   In the private sector, a protfolio of jobs required while in the military is always recommended in the resume' pretty much but more in depth than you presented.  

      There used to be a place called NCO/PO Employment that I actually worked for in the late sixties, early seventies.   It was an uphill battle placing veterans, espcially as DaNang noted returning from Nam.   I believe in those days, it was so very difficult due to the unpopular war and Vietnam.  Many veterans were experiencing a stigma of many sorts and the training was not like your friend.   In those days, there were not much call for sharpshooters , UNLESS, one wanted to go into law enforcement.    Many veterans did get jobs as police, fire fighters, etc.   Many others settled for a job at the local factory which does not exist any more, the service station, which does not exist anymore, and packing and shipping..( which basically does not exist anymore).  The veterans also had to endure physical and mental stigmas and no real treatment programs for PTSD.   They were in many cases just locked away or started into self medication and wound up in jail, broken relationship and not much of a support team..This included the VA.

      Please get in touch with DaNang and Richard Cranium and any who have some handles on these issues.   Good Luck.

      The times have changed for better treatment and more opportunity but your friend sounds like a classic PTSD patient of which he must face head on with his potential employer and the VA.   We must get over the stigma associated with veterans and post traumatic.  

      There was also not an American with Disabilities Law.
      Please utilize the VA for job programs and utilize every single outreach program out there.  The cycle must break.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 04:27:41 AM PST

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