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  •  I'm an environmental lawyer (19+ / 0-)

    and deal often with permitting, zoning issues.  Folks I know hire lawyers (and me sometimes) to navigate the law and regulations -- not to lobby.  Rich people hire lobbyists -- not ordinary people for the most part.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 08:29:58 AM PST

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    •  gchaucer2, what a surprise, an evironmental lawyer (2+ / 0-)
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      gchaucer2, Nautical Knots

      In your opinion, are "Sea Shepherds" terrorists, as declared by the media?  I'm not a member of Sea Shepherds, yet.

      •  I find them to be eco-terrorists (9+ / 0-)

        because of the violence related to their activities.  I feel the same thing about ELF.  How much damage to marine life have they caused by sinking boats?  How many lives have they put at risk by tossing what amounts to molatov (sp?) cocktails?

        I've worked with enviro non-profits.  I drop them like a hot potato when they do stupid shite that defames the environmental movement as a whole.

        What is your opinion?  I would welcome something opposed to mine as a point of discusion.

        " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 09:09:19 AM PST

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        •  gchaucer, sorry to disappoint you, perhaps (3+ / 0-)
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          Nautical Knots, gchaucer2, zinger99

          someone like MB could offer a more informed opinion.

          I also work, in my own slow methodical way, to maintain this lovely green and blue planet for as long as possible.

        •  violence is never the answer, until it is (2+ / 0-)
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          how long do you let people do bad things and steamroll over the good guys until you have to draw a line ? mubarak reigned for 30 years.  you think he would have given up in 5 more ?  were the Egyption protests non-violent ?  they certainly started that way, not sure they ended that way.

          does lobbing what amounts to a stink bomb constitute violence ?

          what about putting your boat in the way of other boats ?

          how is that different than linking arms in the streets and refusing to move ?

          the problem with escalating confrontation is that it does invariably get out of hand, and makes the situation worse.

          should we protest peacefully until the last _ is gone and then think, "oops, probably should have done more..." ?

          I've worked with enviro non-profits.  I drop them like a hot potato when they do stupid shite that defames the environmental movement as a whole.
          I completely understand.  someone set fire to SUVs in a parking lot in oregon.  fucking stupid.  and criminal. but did he deserve a 20 year sentence ?

          it's a frustration thing as you well know.  environmental destructors are always pushing, pushing, pushing to do more damage.  they get to buy government and write the laws.  you feel powerless a lot of the time, especially out west where they're shooting wolves and trying to start drilling and mining right next to national parks.

          and now we have a national outlook which says: make protesting illegal.  then what are we going to do ?

          big badda boom : GRB 090423

          by squarewheel on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 09:41:55 AM PST

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    •  This guy is a lawyer (1+ / 0-)
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      gchaucer2

      but city regs require him to register as a lobbyist because he will be dealing with city officials on behalf of a project.

      See my other comment (above? below?) ;) for more deets...

      "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

      by La Gitane on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:02:14 PM PST

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