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  •  I see this passing the muster of both the 2nd and (4+ / 0-)

    concerns about a registry. I oppose a literal registry but you better believe a SWAT team or whomever else might want to enter into a home that might contain guns, would want to know a lot more than 'this person had a background check for a gun purchase once' before they went in.

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:00:52 PM PST

    •  I also think a registry would be a good idea. (4+ / 0-)

      It should pass the 2nd Amendment because it's easily part of being "well regulated" though that's a couple of words many 2A'ers conveniently ignore when reciting the Amendment.  I'm not in favor of intruding on people's right to own a small number of guns, but I do think it is in society's interest to know when someone possesses an arsenal beyond what they alone could use for protection and hunting and I definitely think it's in the interest for law enforcement to know about potential firefights they might get into (too many incidents to name where someone fired on police because they thought they were going to have their guns confiscated).

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      You always want good intelligence on enemy turf, but in this case relying on as of yet non-existent and potentially spotty records is not a good idea.  Especially if the suspect has no compunction about trading guns illegally.  If you're executing a search warrant under potentially dangerous circumstances, you operate under the assumption that you may face someone or some people at least as heavily armed as you are.

      When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

      by Patrick Costighan on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 01:39:21 PM PST

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      •  I agree that law enforcement needs to treat all (3+ / 0-)
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        situations as potentially lethal.  I just think that knowing the resident at 123 Main Street has one registered pistol would mean one thing to the officers but if they know that the resident has fourteen rifles and six hand guns, they will probably bring more officers and be much more careful how they approach the house.

        And yes, spotty records especially with what databases are used for running background checks also contribute to sales to people who shouldn't have lethal weapons.

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          Why stop there?  There's any number of dangerous implements that might be present in a residence in unusual quantities.  Why not a federal registry of all consumer purchases?

          I get the argument from convenience, but this is really an edge case and one that runs smack dab--unnecessarily--into the registry mess.

          When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

          by Patrick Costighan on Mon Mar 04, 2013 at 02:24:16 PM PST

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          •  As I said in another comment, people are required (4+ / 0-)

            to register lots of different things, and for some non-obvious things like quantities of chemicals and other toxics and flammables they're required to display signs warning first responders of the hazards.

            I still think a registry would be a good thing.  I think it would cut down a great deal on straw purchases, informal sales and transfers and a great number of untraceable weapons, since a weapon that would be made would then be tracked or the last owner would be responsible for anything that happened to it, which would be a strong incentive not to sell it to that gang member in the alleyway.

    •  cmon gogo, they don't know (0+ / 0-)

      and until Superman signs on, there will be little confidence in any snitch or database, like those two detectives gunned down by the sex abuser turned cop killer, now also dead.
          Had there been a database would they have trusted or used it? Would it be accurate? Experienced officers were caught and killed, very bad, very sad.

      You would trust a data base keeping you safe to go thru a door, warrant or hot pursuit etc?

      Remember the dumb old saw about the absence of evidence not being the evidence of absence?

      Not me, that job is dangerous every dam boring minute.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 01:37:18 AM PST

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