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  •  This is more to the point - video (1+ / 0-)
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    posted for history's sake. and my own records.


    by FakeNews on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:46:44 AM PST

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    •  Thank you for the link... (0+ / 0-)

      Great interview concerning the industrial wreckage of globalization and corporate bloat. I can't speak as much to places like Camden, NJ & Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota, but the work I've done/seen on Southern West Virginia validates everything that Hedges talks about.

      My only issue with his appraisal is when he essentially dismisses Pittsburgh's economic resurgence as just a bunch of folks flipping burgers and working at hospitals/universities. If the manufacturing jobs that fled to Mexico & Southeast Asia aren't coming back, where else do you propose to get economic opportunity for working class/lower-middle class than service/tech/healthcare?

      •  Yeah, I saw those statistics as surprising too (1+ / 0-)
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        As a matter of fact, while we were watching this video for the umpteenth time my wife asked me why the Pittsburgh unemployment was much better than Camden.  She said it may have been the crime rate in Camden prevented small businesses from emerging, umm.. probably not. We finally settled on how the stats were taken. Pittsburgh itself is not representative of the areas that lost manufacturing jobs (steel, car parts, appliance sheeting). I think if you did a compare of the surrounding areas, McKeesport, North Braddock, Braddock, Dravosburg, West Mifflin, Duquesne, Glassport, Versailles - I think Camden and those areas would line up a lot better. Pittsburgh (the city) is really not in bad shape and Hedges probably has not experienced the area - I know a lot of people (just like the D.C. area) who will say they are from Pittsburgh even though they live 30 miles outside the city...

        Just a thought VS



        by FakeNews on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:52:18 PM PST

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        •  So, I got bored and did some searching... (1+ / 0-)
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          Hopefully that image shows up, but what it is/should be is a map of the unemployment rates for all of the counties in Pennsylvania circa December 2012, courtesy of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Allegheny County (the orange anvil looking one in the bottom left), where Pittsburgh is located, had an unemployment rate of 6.8% (the city of Pittsburgh was 7.1%, so no real difference), 0.8% lower than the national average at the time. Camden County, not pictured here, had a an unemployment rate of had an unemployment rate of 10.5% over the same period. However, the city of Camden had an unemployment rate of 18.5%

          Also, if you look at the map, I think it's interesting to note that in addition to hyper-wealthy Chester County outside of Philly and Montour County (which I have no clue about), the only other county in the state with unemployment numbers below 6% is Centre County, where Penn State is located.

          Thus, I'd imagine a lot of Pittsburgh's success has stemmed from University of Pittsburgh/Carnegie Mellon, as well as their immense hospital system. And, as it turns out, of Pittsburgh's top 6 businesses, one is U of Pitt, two are hospitals (including #1 UPMC) and two are state and US government jobs.

          •  Good compare. (0+ / 0-)

            I guess this says alot for the term "downward spiral". In a place like Camden where even the public library is a hollow shell I suppose that degeneration of an area without a backstop like you described in Pittsburgh does make a difference. Thanks for the research VS.

            BTW: My relatives in the Pittsburgh area tell me that the Southside area which used to be nothing but warehouse space is now the "in place" to club.  So where Camden went downhill without any re-investment or money to rehab it looks like the Three Rivers area took advantage of lower real estate to revitalize itself.

            later guy!


            by FakeNews on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:47:58 PM PST

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