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  •  Any grouping of mutual reliance (11+ / 0-)

    is socialism in it's basest definition.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 04:02:51 PM PST

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    •  Bingo! (4+ / 0-)

      Thus, government of any sort is socialistic. The degree is what matters.

      •  Bingo Bingo! (1+ / 0-)
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        Kevskos

        We need to think of "socialism" in broader terms than the standard dictionary definition of, as the diarist says, "public control of the means of production". At least we need to entertain the idea that "public" does not necessarily mean the government. It might be worker's control or neighborhood control.

        One fallacy that we constantly see is to say the socialism and capitalism are opposites. The opposite of socialism is individualism, not capitalism.

        Socialistic societies with capitalistic economies exist in lots of places. Private businesses just need to have firm rules, and have a "mission statement" to always provide for the common good. Government needs to always balance the needs of the group, with the rights and needs of the individual.

        I see "public/private" and "individual/group" as "yin/yang" situations where neither side is more important than the other, but rather as a situation where they are mutually beneficial to each other.

        Of course there will always be a push/pull tension between the two. Finding the balance is what we call "politics".

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