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  •  You do NOT get to "assume" the pie would be (5+ / 0-)

    smaller , and the "average standard of living" would be "lower," under what I am sure you think of as "socialism." There's a whole lot of very good empirical evidence that unbridled corporatist/libertarian-friendly greed shrinks the pie, just cuts off the hugest piece for the few, and screws over the many via everything from externalities to simple theft (see the mortgage racket that's unfolding.)

    The "average good" you espouse is, in my view, bullshit. There are places, "socialist" places, where there's a relatively stable, very comfortable living for the largest number, room for some greed but none of the ridiculous cramming of all the wealth into the very few hands. Along with forcing the "economy" into operating patters based on combustion and manufactured-demand consumption. That pattern is great for the very few, who can steal to their heart's content and live out their lives in "luxury," and like the kleptocrats of yore, sneer at the rest of us, knowing that they are untouchable in the present because they own the corrective mechanisms, and in the future because they will be comfortably dead, so what are the rest of us, eatnig our Soylent Green and Yellow, going to do? Dig up their sorry-ass carcasses and dishonor them a la Mussolini?

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 07:48:54 AM PST

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    •  I'd say simply that your perception of reality... (0+ / 0-)

      Is in fact a non-reality per the other comments I've made here...  That is the rhetoric of demagogues that ignore the very rapid advancement of standard of living we've seen in the past couple of hundred and even the past 40-50 years.  How many homes have washing machines and high speed internet capability?  Who is going hungry?  I don't condone unchecked greed, but trying to repress it through redistribution retards innovation and hurts us all...

      •  Restating the same false syllogism does not turn (2+ / 0-)
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        it into Truth. Back to Texas with you... you've got your own serious demagogue skills to add to.

        Where have we heard that crap about "everybody has a microwave and TV, so it proves we're all better off" before? One of the favorite RW baits?

        As to who is going hungry, you hang around here and read the dairies, maybe -- so you should have a pretty good picture of who exactly is going hungry. And how many of us. And the plans to strip ever more wealth and income from the many of us to ensure the, ah,, "comfort" of the few of us.

        "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

        by jm214 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:27:12 AM PST

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      •  Our standard of living is worse (1+ / 0-)
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        Who, on average, could afford to have a nice house and a parent at home, and the other parent home at 6pm?

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