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  •  Not arrogance... (3+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, Odysseus, zizi

    I think Begala hit it on the head. We aren't dealing with a Congress that has ever been this stupid and self-destructive before. In a working democracy, we have debate and discussion followed by grumbling agreement to something in the middle. Obama is trying to get us back to a working democracy. Abandoning that won't make things better. It will just feed the narrative that his is acting like a dictator. It's not arrogance.. it's called being President.

    Whereas Congress is just being a bunch of bratty kindergarten kids.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 05:21:26 AM PST

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    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      Obama is trying to get us back to a working democracy.

      And trying and trying and trying to infinity and beyond.  

      Abandoning that won't make things better.
      Because this is working so well?  What's the classic definition of insanity:  Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.  

      I'm not ready to go for insane.  I'll stop at arrogance.  

      It will just feed the narrative that his is acting like a dictator.
      You mean if Obama plays nice, he won't get called names?  How's that worked out for the last 4+ years?  

      Harry Truman said it best:  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  

      •  Making yourself insane... (1+ / 0-)
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        zizi

        I still don't quite get your point. You sound more tilting toward insanity on the issue as well. Obama has a job and he is doing it to the best he can given the stupid players currently running the branches of our government.

        Whining and complaining that he isn't liberal enough sounds a bit petty if you ask me. Of course I would love it if he could steer this monster of a democracy towards the left more. But he is only one part of the equation. The House is dysfunctional and the Senate is still held hostage by McTurtle. And don't get me started with Scalia! We have to make sure that the damage currently being done doesn't get worse. And if that means "talking" and trying to work within these crazy parameters then we have to do something. Obama is at least doing his job, whereas the rest are watching Rome burn. He seems to be the only one with a fire hose.

        Arrogance is what I would call anyone that expects him to be doing better than he is right now. You try being the first black president within a government of racists!

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 09:29:45 AM PST

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    •  The goop congress during Clinton was bad. (5+ / 0-)

      The White Water Witch Hunt? The BJ impeachment? The Ken Starr Investigations-to-Nowhere?

      The goopbaggers go batsh*t crazy when they aren't in power. And their supporters don't even notice the climate of insanity the goopbaggers engender. For them, insanity is normal, a factoid that Obama can't assimilate, apparently.

      The common thread of gooper insanity, for both democratic administrations, is the pervasiveness of RW radio. In 1996, a sweet old man harangued at me to vote for Pat Buchanan because "Clinton is really the devil". He listened to RW radio full time. Obama's congress is worse because it coexists with both RW radio and FoxNews.

      Since Clinton's administration, RW propaganda has become frenetic and out-of-touch with reality. The listeners eat that diet and vote goopbagger, while the rest of us are paralyzed by disbelief.

      •  In 1993, about 10 minutes after the inauguration, (3+ / 0-)

        they declared the Second Civil War. They've been fighting it, without remorse and without political restraint, ever since. Somehow, Obama managed not to have realized this. Had he understood that these folks were not the equivalent of Lincoln's political opponents in the Union, but of Lincoln's political opponents in the Confederacy, he might have done a few things differently.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Tue Mar 05, 2013 at 06:15:39 AM PST

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      •  GOP go batshit crazy when they aren't in power (2+ / 0-)
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        annominous, Laconic Lib

        Can't be said enough.

        None of this is a revelation, IMO. The day after the 2008 election, Bill Maher told Larry King said they'd go full teabagger (just plain nutty, as it was know back in '08) the moment Obama took office. And that the press would revert back to Clinton era levels of dishonesty.

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