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  •  No it doesn't. No more than whether when Bill (1+ / 0-)
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    Clinton lied about Monica did it show whether he was telling the truth about anything else under oath.  People lie about things that embarrass them and that they don't think are relevant and it won't matter.  This silly lie tells us virtually nothing about either her or her testimony.  To try to blow it up into something major is just silly.

    "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

    by gustynpip on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 02:07:02 PM PST

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    •  That was a perjury proceeding (3+ / 0-)

      that damn near brought down the President of the United States, hardly a trivial matter, for lying about sex that had little to do with his job.

      This is a question of what can be raised to impeach the credibility of a witness in a criminal proceeding, which in many of our experience is always relevant. (IMO the borderline issue would be whether the prosecutor would be allowed to bring in outside evidence to prove that she was lying -- but they would unquestionably be allowed to ask her about it.)

      You keep insisting it will be ruled out of bounds; others with different legal experience disagree (I among them).

      When the judge actually rules, we'll find out who was right.

      •  And I bet you thought it was horrendously (1+ / 0-)
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        stupid when the Republicans tried to use such a silly thing to bring him down, right?  Because it was.  

        No, I've not insisted it would be ruled out of bounds.  I've said I think it's likely the judge will rule that it's irrelevant.  

        I've also said that even if it isn't ruled irrelevant by the judge (whoops - what was that you said about my insisting it would be ruled out of bounds?  I'm so damn inconsistent.  First I insist it will be ruled out of bounds, then I say but if it's not . . ."  Insist, fudge, insist, fudge.  Damn, I must want it both ways.)  Back to the point, even if it's not ruled to be irrelevant, it won't make a difference because the case doesn't depend in any way, shape or form on her testimony.

        And I'm not sure just how much legal experience you can have when you refer to a judge ruling something out of bounds.  The courtroom is not a sports field and there's no such thing as out of bounds in a courtroom.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:14:42 PM PST

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