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  •  Mr B - the problem is we don't have any evidence (0+ / 0-)

    that Z first assaulted Martin, or vice versa.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 05:20:10 PM PST

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    •  We might have circumstantial evidence, ... (0+ / 0-)

      if it turns out to be true that Martin's face and body had no bruises, cuts or other indications that he was physically harmed in any way other than by the actual shooting.  Same goes for Zimmerman's knuckles, I would think.  Those are things the jury can take into consideration.

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 07:44:21 PM PST

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      •  Ridiculous (0+ / 0-)

        If there were no bruises on Travon Martin's face or body, that has no bearing. Zimmerman was told to stay in his car. He didn't. He pursued and, presumably, harassed Martin. He didn't necessarily punch Martin. He shot him. And killed him. That's not circumstantial, for christ sake.

    •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

      We have all kinds of evidence that Z assaulted M. We have the tape that the 911 operator told Z to stay the fuck out of it and Z did not listen and followed M unnecessarily. There is a clear record of what happened.

      •  MrB - the discussion is about Florida law (1+ / 0-)
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        The fact that the dispatcher, who is not a police officer and has no legal authority, told Z that "we don't need you to do that" has no relevance. The fact that Z followed Martin is not a crime and has no relevance. The key to whether this is self defense or murder only starts from the moment the two first confront each other, and the actions from that point forward. The challenge for the prosecution is that the evidence of what happened during the encounter is sparse. No one is contesting that Z shot Martin. The issue is can the prosecution prove this was murder, and not self defense, beyond a reasonable doubt?  Many criminal defense lawyers, including former prosecutors, believe the state's case is weak.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:06:53 AM PST

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      •  That's not evidence of assault (0+ / 0-)

        It's evidence of him getting out of his car

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