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    SYG is only applicable to white man with guns? SYG is only applicable if you shoot and kill someone?
    Trayvon had the right to defend himself from an aggressor. But even though I think Trayvon had the right to smack GZ in the face, I don't think that is what the evidence shows.

    A person trained in a sport that involves ground fights like judo, jiu jitsu, wrestling or a combination sport such as mma, will tell you it is impossible to slam a person's head into the ground from a mounted position.
    From my own training in judo, which I practiced for 6 years, I also know it is impossible to control a person in a mounted position unless you have at least a 3 point control on the person at the bottom, and that is if you are in the same weight class and highly trained.

     What GZ claims, Trayvon sitting on him with his upper body at an angle, and Trayvon either hitting him in the face, slamming his head in the ground and smothering him with both hands, would mean Trayvon had only a one point control of GZ. That may be something you see in Hollywood movies, but it is not possible in real life. And that is without considering the 40 lbs + weight disadvantage Trayvon had.
    And yes I checked mma video's, to see if they had tecniques to accomplish that. They don't.

     They use the same techniques to establish control. Where with other sports, you would go for a 4 point control when possible, they go from 4 point to three point, then hit. Go back to 4 point again to gain good control and then back to 3 point and hit.

    I can speculate how GZ got those cuts, I think one of sprinkler covers is the most likely culprit, but I know for sure the cuts weren't caused by Trayvon slamming his head into the ground.

    I don't think Trayvon hit GZ on the nose, for the simple fact that the only GZ blood found on Trayvon was what looks like a transfer smear on the bottom of Trayvon's bottom shirt.

    It is impossible to be hitting someone in the face when that person has blood on his face, without at least some blood transferring to the cuffs. No GZ blood was found on Trayvon's cuffs or sleeves or any where else on his hoody. Heck not even GZ DNA was found there.
    If you are serious about finding out what happened, I suggest you check this video database, with samples of what happens to blood when force is applied to an area with blood on it.
    So I can only conclude that GZ didn't have blood coming out of his nose, until after the struggle had ended.

    Again I can speculate. I think the most likely reason is that GZ got hit by his gun recoiling against his nose. The spot to the side of his nose that was red, is typical of where people get hit by the gun. Here are some samples

    •  That's what I thought. (1+ / 0-)
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      Dr Swig Mcjigger

      I stay out of the conspiracy theory business and try to stick to the known facts. For example, I believe DeeDee is a real person and that there is only one of her. But I also believe that GZ's injuries were caused by Trayvon Martin.

      Have a nice day.

      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

      by HairyTrueMan on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 06:51:26 AM PST

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