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  •  It wasn't just Harry Reid. (10+ / 0-)

    Anyone who thinks it was just one Senator from Nevada who was entirely responsible for the decision on filibuster reform is living in a dream world.

    The entire Democratic Party leadership owns that decision.

    If Pelosi is on the talk shows consistently asking "Harry Reid will you work for filibuster reform this year?" and if President Obama were using the bully pulpit to point out the complete failure of the last "gentleman's agreement" with the Republicans...

    Hell, if the President had just made a phone call to Harry "Get this done, we want a flipped responsibility filibuster, public record on holds, and no other senate business during a filibuster" it would have happened.

    *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

    by Rick Aucoin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 12:40:41 PM PST

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    •  Nah it does rest with Harry (4+ / 0-)
      "Anyone who thinks it was just one Senator from Nevada who was entirely responsible for the decision on filibuster reform is living in a dream world."

      If Harry Reid actually went to the Senate floor and took a vote on filibuster reform and Democratic Senators didn't vote for it, then you could make that claim. But since Harry Reid is the leader of the Senate who refused to take the vote, your claim doesn't hold water.  

      We had the votes, and even if we didn't it was still his responsibility to take the vote. Then any Democrats who didn't vote for filibuster reform would have to answer to their voters.

      Well behaved women rarely make history.

      by IamNotaKochsucker on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 01:48:59 PM PST

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      •  It wasn't JUST Harry Reid. (3+ / 0-)
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        Harry Reid isn't the man who makes all the decisions on the fate of the Republic.  I mean, come on.  Have you seen the guy?

        Not reforming the filibuster is owned by the entire Democratic Party leadership, from the White House to the DNC at this point.

        The filibuster is what it is because that's the way the Democrats want it.

        Put another way, if Harry Reid wasn't the Majority Leader, if, say, Dick Durbin was?  We'd have the exact same situation.

        It's not just Harry Reid.  Telling ourselves it's "Harry Reid's fault" lends itself to the delusion that somehow getting rid of Harry Reid would fix the problem.

        It wouldn't.

        *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

        by Rick Aucoin on Wed Mar 06, 2013 at 03:32:42 PM PST

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        •  Harry Reid doesn't make all (1+ / 0-)
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          of the decisions on the fate of the Republic, or even of the Senate, it's true.

          But he does make one very important set of decisions: which items come up for a vote, on which terms.

          There was his chance - the opportunity that Senate Majority Leader Reid, and only Senate Majority Leader Reid has to make a difference all on his own - and he failed.

          "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

          by Australian2 on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:25:38 AM PST

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          •  Yes, he gets part of the blame. (0+ / 0-)

            Why I've gotten two replies to my "It's not JUST Harry Reid" posts that seem to have read that it's "Not Harry's fault at all" is beyond my comprehension.

            Does anyone think that if Dick Durbin were the Senate Majority Leader we wouldn't have the same exact situation with the filibuster?

            Anyone?  Anyone?

            My point, exactly.

            *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

            by Rick Aucoin on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 08:33:14 AM PST

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            •  You live in a world of hypotheticals Rick (1+ / 0-)
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              If the best answer you have is

              Does anyone think that if Dick Durbin were the Senate Majority Leader we wouldn't have the same exact situation with the filibuster?
              You're just making excuses for Harry Reid's piss poor leadership. I live in reality and call it out. He should have taken the vote he didn't. The blame rests with him, period.

              If you wanna sit here and try to justify your 'hypothetical' be my guest but I'm not wasting anymore time responding to a hypothetical. I only deal in facts. And the fact is Harry Reid didn't take the vote to reform the filibuster. Thus no one, including you, can say for sure what other Democrats in the Senate would've done.

              Had Harry Reid done his job and taken the vote, THEN any Democrats who voted against reform would have to answer to their voters. But we will never know who would've voted for it or who would've voted against it because, the Senate Majority Leader, didn't take the vote. That's a fact, not a hypothetical.

              Well behaved women rarely make history.

              by IamNotaKochsucker on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:14:14 AM PST

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              •  So, you would propose that to fix this... (0+ / 0-)

                ....  we just need to get rid of Harry Reid, then?

                And people wonder why we never make any progress.

                Sure, get rid of Harry Reid, he's a friggin' joke.  But replacing him with another of the DNC's picks among the Democratic Party's leadership will result in the same exact problem.

                And then there you'll be railing against, I don't know, Dick Durbin and trying to get him primaried, and when he's out then you'll still be in the same boat because the NEXT guy will be just the same on this subject.

                Yes, Harry Reid is a dickhead who should have brought all of the proposed filibuster reform ideas to the floor for a vote.

                He didn't, and that's not just because Harry Reid didn't want them to get a vote.

                It's because the DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP, from the White House to the House Minority Leaders didn't want it.

                It's because the DEMOCRATIC Senators didn't want it.

                It's because the Democrats, as a party, did not want it.

                Don't sit there and waste your efforts just blaming Harry Reid when he's only part of the problem.

                Getting rid of Harry Reid, alone, won't solve the problem.

                And that's my point.

                *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

                by Rick Aucoin on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:22:18 AM PST

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